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Originally Posted by SSfriendly
I guarantee if the PP2 keeps up or beats the 1LE, owners here are going to pull the tire card like gangbusters.
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That card has already been laid down.
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Originally Posted by Chadicus
Keeps up for how long? 1 lap? Maybe 2 in December because it has no cooling? A car designed in secret during off duty time beating a 1LE is laughable. If you think 305 Cup 2s a 26 pounds of downforce spoiler and "police" brakes is all the GT needs to keep up with the 1LE then you guys are drunk off unicorn piss.
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My guess is going to be that the suspension is also tuned to GT350TP specs. Considering that the latter is now outgoing, it's quite possible that the PP2 will be in line with that car's performance as a 'replacement'. I still think you're right, but we shall see.
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Originally Posted by seanblurr
Luckily, we live in a time where Chevy and Ford are making awesome cars. Also, just because Motortrend says something, doesn't really mean it's objectively true.
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Don't forget Dodge, they build cool cars in their own right as well.
With that said, good point about arbitrary reviews. But when it's not only MotorTrend, but a slew of other publications that sing the praises, you stand up and listen. It's THE reason I'm in a Camaro right now.
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Originally Posted by ParisTNDude
It appears to me that performance doesn't matter to Ford Motor Company since better than average performance or lesser, they still sell tons of Mustangs...always have and always will. Guys who buy Mustangs are "Ford" guys and performance or cost doesn't matter, they will still buy Ford.
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So what about 2010 through 2012 when the Camaro outsold the Mustang? Bow tie fans will buy the Camaro, Blue Oval fans will buy the Mustang, enthusiasts with no affiliation will buy the better performer, and the general public will buy the better looking car... IMO. That's really why the Mustang is outselling the Camaro these days.
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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife
I believe the statement on the LT1 was that it had a truck-like powerband, which it does.
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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife
Yes, that's exactly what they did. The LT1 is not a high-er RPM motor like the LS7 was, or the Coyote. It builds great torque down low, yet for all intents and purposes is done making real power by about 6,000 RPM.
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LT1 and LS7 dyno curves are almost identical in terms of torque and HP delivery. The main difference is that the 7.0 displacement is obviously making more power and has a higher redline due to compression ratio differences and better internals. But torque starts taking a dive at around 5,000 rpm on the LS7, compared to 4700 on the LT1, very similar. Same with HP, 6400 rpm for LS7, 6000 rpms for LT1. If the LT1 is a truck motor, so is the LS7.
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Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife
What you find with more "athletic" powerbands, as it's been called, is a later onset of torque and a peak closer to 5,000 RPM and HP that continues to build past 6,500.
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What we find in a more 'athletic' power bands, like the Coyote, as you suggested... is that torque peaks at 4,600 rpm, and then dives from there. Nice try.
Bottom line, both are great motors from two different philosophies in design, with their own advantages and drawbacks.