[oldman]

I honestly don't know what the hype is, great a hero driver with unknown mods, I guess he is claiming "stock drivertrain and tune" with drag pack, on a prep track under ideal conditions runs .5 to 1 second faster than bone stock off showroom floor. Really, that has been true for 50 years.

All I really need to know is that 99.999% of the people 100% of the time can't do that on stock rubber with 100% OEM equipment including the ecu program. When push comes to shove the broader torque range engine is going to win in the most general terms, read that as Joe Average, on DD rubber, at the average street fight. Note the topic of the original post (stock on stock tires). What does a BONE stock Mustang do, and since we can't depend on "claimed stock", by default that means a magazine test, is the Mustang 18 faster than the 17s? Seems to be, if the exactly the right combination is ordered and in an auto.

Once the conversation starts going to "stock" with drag pack, I, for one think the argument rapidly devolves into how many angels can actually dance on a head of a pin. I know the answer is 36. Since there is no official santioning body that will verify stock but drag pack, either the car is 100% stock other than air in the tires or it ain't. If it ain't well the limit is how much cubic bucks one has to inject. Great if a few proper optioned 18 auto Mustangs are surprisingly fast, give the top list of mods (known and unknown). Joe Average in a "normal" 18 GT ain't any faster and probably slower than a bone stock SS.

Does the 2018 Mustang seem to go faster than a "stock" 2017 with the above conditions, yep would seem so amen. Is there any way to prove that said Mustang is 100% stock? Nope, should I care? Nope. Note: Read my sig file.