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Originally Posted by germanicus
Now we have seen examples of stock GT's in the 11's, yet they don't count (because......?) The best comeback to this waters down to "But they won't beat my ZL1?"
BTW, who is 'they'? Try not to speak for other people as much, and then apply that brush to an entire community.
As I see it, the entirety of this came about because it was pointed out that an 18 GT with an e85 tune and wheel/tire swap was putting up times that were faster than stock zl1 numbers. Not sure how this is controversial or earth shattering. Either the car did or did not run those numbers. If it did, why get so bent out of shape about it? How does that effect your enjoyment of your vehicle? The only way I see this as being so upsetting is if its important to you that you are perceived as having the fastest vehicle by total strangers to you. When I drive down the street, I don't care whether people think my car is faster than theirs or not. Its not something I lose sleep over, or become enraged about on an internet forum. I doubt that the VAST majority of either Mustang or Camaro owners give a hill of beans about this.
Even if there are people claiming (unreasonable?) results/metrics for a given vehicle, I think its sort of silly to define an entire car community by that.
Just as it would be silly for me to define all the Zl1 drivers here as immature idiots who brag about street racing Mclarens while he/she has their family in the car.
Lets make this not about selectively accepting results that fall in line with one's desired outcomes (my Car is better than your Car). Look up the term "Confirmation bias". Rather, instead of choosing to ignore results that contradict one's expectations (using specious excuses), take them as they reveal themselves.
In my opinion, classifying the GT as under-performing is sort of ridiculous. The 15-17 GT had the highest HP per dollar value of any sports/muscle production car sold at the time anywhere in the world. https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/...wer-per-dollar. When you consider the only real metric that matters to carmakers (Sales), the mustang is not the under-performing pony car. It was the best selling sports car in the world last year.
Less Tribalism. Us vs. Them.
This is becoming worse than some college sports rivalries.
Marvel vs. DC.
Cowboys vs. Redskins.
Camaro vs. Mustang.
Coke vs. Pepsi. |
Funny how when the Mustang guys lose they all try to act reasonable and down to Earth...yet a couple weeks ago they were all coming over here in swarms talking shit, getting our threads shut down, starting arguments, etc. But now we're the ones that have to hear these long drawn out comments about how we should be more rational? Tell you what, say all of this the next time they come over here starting bullshit.
Again, throughout all of Hot Rodding one of the main rules is that you do not compare a stock vehicle to a modded one. That rule came about because import guys were modding their cars into 1-run grenades and then saying they could build a 4cyl that is faster than a Mustang for a quarter of the money. So now you have Mustang guys doing the exact same thing. And guess what, they base that off of 1 example. Just 1. ONE guy runs E85/tune/tire and runs what they consider to be a faster time than the ZL1s on our list and that was enough to send them over the edge. LOL! And it is laughable at best. No, an E85/tire/tune combo on a new GT will not beat a ZL1 on the same track, same day, and with a driver of equal skill. It would be hard pressed to do it against a driver of lesser skill on the same track and same day. If anyone would ever like to test this then I'm ready whenever.
As far as me losing sleep or not enjoying my car...where did it ever occur to you that any of this happened in my case? You really think some stupid punks will cause me to enjoy my car less? LOL! Back in my GT and SS days I had more import guys talking shit than I can remember. All of them saying they could do this or that and they would beat me. And all of them lost, badly. I mean it was not even a race. And they all had the same surprised look on their faces. One of them remarked that he thought his car was faster and that he had no idea my SS was that fast. But I knew how fast his car was and I knew he had no chance. So did any of his shit talking before the race bother me? Not even slightly. I was just eager to get him out there and make him eat all those words. And that is where I'm at right now. These GT guys talked shit and ate their words. And now they're still talking and wll eat their words yet again. And I can't wait to be the one to make them eat.
And I define them that way because a LOT of them came over here acting that way...flooding YT with their comments, trolling FB with their comments, etc. They have given the Mustang a bad name and have become the ricers of the Muscle Cars. You were here. You saw it. 1 or 2 f them were cool and mature and I actually enjoyed their comments. But the other 10-15 or more were not.