FBO and e85 question
 

Ok, so I have a Lethal Garage flex fuel sensor otw and I also plan on buying some headers from Speed Engineering here soon. Should I wait to have both installed, then get a tune? Or can I get my e85 tune first and then worry about the tune for my headers later? I just didn’t know if tuners would tune for both your E and headers for the same price or would they still charge you separately?

Do it all at once. Most tuners charge to retune.

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You can ask. Some will update the tune at no charge as long they install the new parts. Worst thing they say is no.

As far as I’m aware, the e85 tune is a separate tune. I just got it done. Had a 93 tune yesterday, e85 tune today. I’ll be picking up my car tomorrow if work allows if not Saturday. But excited to see the results. Full bolt on and E85.

So tuners are nice enough to tune for headers and e85 for the price of one? Or am I sounding retarded lol

save it up and do it all at once might as well do an intake at same time also

No, AGAIN, from what I understand, E85 is a different tune. I would still do it at the same time, however, you're paying for 2 tunes regardless.

i think this varies from tuner to tuner. typically i think ethanol is an additional charge, not the full amount of another tune. ie $100 extra while the car is there and on the dyno. if it's done like you did it i can see it costing more as there is more time/labor involved.

So the way I did it, they tuned me for 93, then tuned again for E85. E85 was an additional $350 cost. I am in North Jersey and everything is just more expensive here. But it was for sure 2 separate tunes. The first tune was $800.

would depend on the tuner. I go through pray performance and he does free re-tunes.

I had my tune done by Ted Jannetty. He did a full E85 tune and I am good to run 91 or E85. I asked him about that and if I were to put 91 in if it would need to be tuned for that as well. He said that since it was a full E85 tune it was tuned for 91 as well. I only run E85 unless I am somewhere that doesn't have E85. So to me if the tuner does a full E85 tune it will run on both, at least when Jannetty Racing does the tune.

I have a 2021 LT-1 and tuners in area are telling me nobody's broken into 21s yet. Is that true? Thanks

i should have specified. you are correct, it is 2 separate tunes, but will (typically) not cost twice as much if done at the same time. (imho) one of the best tuners in the country did my car and it was an additional $100 for ethanol. didn't take long at all.

had i gone back after getting a 93 only tune i know it would have cost more but idk how much exactly. he charged per hour for touch-up/retunes. all tuning was done on his dyno and verified with several pulls on the street.

Pray is exactly where I wanna go. How much does he charge for an e tune?

Unless he has changed, $600 for tune - that included TCM and E85. But i have purchased all my parts through him as well. I am very happy with the results ... it's a whole other car now. And if you buy the follow-on parts thru him, the re-tunes are free (included in the original price).

Good luck getting ahold of Pray. I have messaged both his business account and his personal on facebook and he has not responded to either one in well over a week and he has been posting and commenting on stuff daily. Guess I will be getting my tune elsewhere.

He answers his messages fifo. He’s not ducking u

two weeks worth of messages must be a lot of messages.

Pray is the best tuner if you want gains and drivability. Yes it's a pain to get a hold of him. But don't pester, tell him what you want in your tune ONE time, what your build is, along with your tune file. Pay him. Wait. It takes time but pretty simple. At this point, for FBO and e85 his tunes are now pretty much canned tunes. That is no revisions. Even if you just do headers and e85 and get Pray tuned then you add a ported IM, Rotofab and TB, you most likely won't need a retune with Prays tune. With bolton's his first tune file before any revisions will 99% have the wideband spot on.

Prey is the most well known tuner, but there are a lot of guys out there that have been doing it for way longer than him. PM me and I'll put you in touch with the guy shops like Prey learned from. And he charges less.

Pray is a outstanding tuner but there are others just as good where your wait might not be so long. Gpi is one for example.

Yep one month later and still no response from him so I bought a remote tune from GPI last night. Getting tired of waiting to install my parts. Oh well, GPI tuned my 5th gen and did great work so I'm not worried about it

Just the automatics Chevy keeps upgrading or re-encrypting their tcm a manual can be tuned as I just got mine tuned today and put on e85 and I’m very happy with the results