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Jbryant910 03-30-2015 07:05 AM

OFFICIAL: 2016 Camaro weight at least 200 pounds lighter (March 30 update)
 
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2016 Camaro Does More with Less
New model is at least 200 pounds lighter than current car

2015-03-30

DETROIT – For the all-new, 2016 Chevrolet Camaro, the team was challenged to improve the handling, acceleration and fuel economy of the award-winning current model.

To meet all three objectives, the team focused on a singular mission: reduce mass. By obsessively searching for opportunities to save ounces, the team pared more than 200 pounds off the Camaro compared with the fifth-generation model.

As a result, the Camaro does more with less, according to Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer:

“We kept the cornering confidence and control that make the Gen 5 Camaro 1LE so fun to drive, and added a greater sense of agility,” he said. “The new Camaro brakes harder, flicks into corners more quickly, and drives out of the corner faster. We expect it will set the benchmark in the segment and give many sports cars a challenge.”

A new architecture, one of the most mass-efficient ever from General Motors, is responsible for much of the weight savings.

Additionally, dozens of small changes cumulatively contributed to shedding pounds. For example, the beam that supports the instrument panel is now made of aluminum, saving 9.7 pounds (4.4 kg) over the steel beam on the current generation Camaro.

In addition, the front and rear suspension assemblies are now aluminum, and links on some models feature an intricate, structurally optimized design made with a rigid composite material that’s even lighter than aluminum. As a result, the total weight for the suspension is 21 percent lighter compared to current steel-intensive assemblies.

Chevrolet will introduce the all-new 2016 Camaro on Saturday, May 16, during a special public event at Detroit’s Belle Isle Park.



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The 2016 Chevrolet Camaro features an aluminum beam to support the instrument panel, which is 9.7 lbs. (4.4 kg) lighter than the previous steel beam. Changes like this help reduce total curb weight for the new Camaro by more than 200 pounds.

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The 2016 Chevrolet Camaro features aluminum front and rear suspension assemblies, with links on some models made of rigid composite material that’s even lighter than aluminum. As a result, the total weight for the suspension has been reduced 21 percent, compared to the previous, steel-intensive assemblies.

PYROLYSIS 03-30-2015 07:19 AM

That would put a 1LE at 3660 pounds! Awesome news.

BahamaTodd 03-30-2015 07:31 AM

http://www.chevrolet.com/2016-camaro...-gallery-4.jpg
So only certain models get the composite speed holes...

DrkPhx 03-30-2015 07:37 AM

That's outstanding news. Good job GM. I wonder if they'll take it further for the hi-po models.

Bhobbs 03-30-2015 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS (Post 8327644)
That would put a 1LE at 3660 pounds! Awesome news.

I'll have to check the door sticker again but I tbink the 2015 1LE has a curb weight of over 3900 lbs.

I hope this means the curb weight will be 200 lbs less and not like the Mustang where the chassis was lighter but the finished car ended up heavier.

Jbryant910 03-30-2015 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 8327709)
I'll have to check the door sticker again but I tbink the 2015 1LE has a curb weight of over 3900 lbs.

I hope this means the curb weight will be 200 lbs less and not like the Mustang where the chassis was lighter but the finished car ended up heavier.

Yeah, that's the first thing I thought about when I saw that. I'm hoping for the SS to come in at or below 3700lbs. That might just happen.

Splitter 03-30-2015 08:23 AM

Woot!

oneredry 03-30-2015 08:27 AM

Another link, just different text.
http://blog.caranddriver.com/less-pa...r-2016-camaro/

PoorMansCamaro 03-30-2015 08:32 AM

I don't like the way this is worded:

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As a result, the Camaro does more with less, according to Al Oppenheiser, Camaro chief engineer
Makes it seem like it will be inferior to the 5th gen in other aspects, but the weight will help keep it better. If you know what I mean.

ChefBorOzzy 03-30-2015 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro (Post 8327754)
I don't like the way this is worded:



Makes it seem like it will be inferior to the 5th gen in other aspects, but the weight will help keep it better. If you know what I mean.

I take it as less brakes, less tires, less wheels.. Sounds good to me.

DenverTaco07 03-30-2015 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro (Post 8327754)
I don't like the way this is worded:



Makes it seem like it will be inferior to the 5th gen in other aspects, but the weight will help keep it better. If you know what I mean.

I read it as more performance, less weight, but that's just me i guess.

iPODFAN11 03-30-2015 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro (Post 8327754)
I don't like the way this is worded:



Makes it seem like it will be inferior to the 5th gen in other aspects, but the weight will help keep it better. If you know what I mean.

More with less...read that as in outperforms the Gen 5 and at the same time as less mass in turn producing a better car. Add lightness.

terri_Lovehands 03-30-2015 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PoorMansCamaro (Post 8327754)
I don't like the way this is worded:



Makes it seem like it will be inferior to the 5th gen in other aspects, but the weight will help keep it better. If you know what I mean.

I took it as less weight, i don't see them making other aspects inferior, i took it as, we're using different materials and engineered things a bit differently so that it would weigh less but outperform the previous incarnation.

BaylorCamaro 03-30-2015 08:44 AM

Awesome, but I agree with others and hope this doesn't turn out to be a let down when they made the statement that the Mustang would weigh less.

JaxChris 03-30-2015 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 8327709)
I hope this means the curb weight will be 200 lbs less and not like the Mustang where the chassis was lighter but the finished car ended up heavier.

The PR post specifically says "reduce total curb weight for the new Camaro by more than 200 pounds". My curiosity is whether they are referring to each variant from 2015 to 2016 or if only the top model or bottom model has shaved over 200 lbs. Those with the composite suspension members will have the most weight savings, but those probably only come with the heavier/stiffer pistons on the performance variants to keep them highly competitive on paper.

Personal note 1: Looks like the center console will be going to a more traditional affair with a normal center stack in the dash. I think this is a good thing. I'm looking forward to something more ergonomic and easier to customize.

Personal note 2: My fear that Gen6 is going to end up looking like a Scion FR-S competitor have not yet been quelled. I hope it has all been epic misdirect with the front clip, hood and those lights. "Body by Veilside, lights by APC, bred for the '95 Eclipse, now available in American RWD"? ;o(

iPODFAN11 03-30-2015 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 8327709)
I'll have to check the door sticker again but I tbink the 2015 1LE has a curb weight of over 3900 lbs.

I hope this means the curb weight will be 200 lbs less and not like the Mustang where the chassis was lighter but the finished car ended up heavier.

1SS base is 3908lbs. Figure a bit more than that but then drop 200lbs (or more as GM states "at least") that would be 3708lbs for a base SS.

PoorMansCamaro 03-30-2015 09:02 AM

All good points.

Autonaut 03-30-2015 09:15 AM

This is fantastic news. Well done GM. Im really looking foreward to the actual reveal.

87GNX 03-30-2015 09:16 AM

I wont believe it, till it's weighed!

SuperSound 03-30-2015 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JaxChris (Post 8327807)
The PR post specifically says "reduce total curb weight for the new Camaro by more than 200 pounds". My curiosity is whether they are referring to each variant from 2015 to 2016 or if only the top model or bottom model has shaved over 200 lbs. Those with the composite suspension members will have the most weight savings, but those probably only come with the heavier/stiffer pistons on the performance variants to keep them highly competitive on paper.

Personal note 2: My fear that Gen6 is going to end up looking like a Scion FR-S competitor have not yet been quelled. I hope it has all been epic misdirect with the front clip, hood and those lights. "Body by Veilside, lights by APC, bred for the '95 Eclipse, now available in American RWD"? ;o(

The components they have showed as examples of weight reduction would be found on all models. So with that I would say it's safe to say the base models will see that 200lb loss. Performance models may see more, but could be offset by beefier components.

FR-S as a competitor? You are joking right?

3Black 03-30-2015 09:40 AM

God i love the words "at least".

Camaro_Corvette 03-30-2015 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 8327709)
I'll have to check the door sticker again but I tbink the 2015 1LE has a curb weight of over 3900 lbs.

I hope this means the curb weight will be 200 lbs less and not like the Mustang where the chassis was lighter but the finished car ended up heavier.

2015 1LE curb weight is 3875lbs. I can't remember but I think the 2013's were even lighter.

NAS 03-30-2015 09:54 AM

Man I can't wait to see the unveiling of the 6th gen. I can't believe it's already been 6 years the 5th gen has been out wow time flies.

PYROLYSIS 03-30-2015 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Camaro_Corvette (Post 8327935)
2015 1LE curb weight is 3875lbs. I can't remember but I think the 2013's were even lighter.

GM has stated 3875 and 3860.

LesserO2Evils 03-30-2015 10:00 AM

3700lbs w/460 or so HP will be a gamechanger.

Camaro_Corvette 03-30-2015 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by PYROLYSIS (Post 8327958)
GM has stated 3875 and 3860.

And there it is, thanks!

Jbryant910 03-30-2015 10:04 AM

If the 6th gen is a total of 200lbs less, that would be the equivalent to a 20 hp increase correct? So the acceleration and speed should be like a 480 hp 5th gen? That's assuming if the LT1 comes with 460 hp for the camaro.

Autonaut 03-30-2015 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by LesserO2Evils (Post 8327963)
3700lbs w/460 or so HP will be a gamechanger.

So will 3650:)

"At least 200 pounds"

3650 1le will destroy all cars within it's price range. It will take a gt350 to out run it.
Good times ahead.

Some minor weight mods will put it at 3600 easily!!

xc_SS/RS 03-30-2015 10:23 AM

Sheesh if this gets any better sounding I may just have to look into getting a 6gen when mine is closer to paid off, unless there's a killer deal.

Obzen 03-30-2015 10:25 AM

Hopefully the weight savings doesn't come by skimping on the interior.

LesserO2Evils 03-30-2015 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autonaut (Post 8328017)
So will 3650:)

"At least 200 pounds"

SHHHHHHH!!!! Dont jinx it! Im trying to err on the safe side! Lol

GroundhogSS 03-30-2015 10:30 AM

This is sounding good. I'm really looking forward to May 16th.

YoungGun1993 03-30-2015 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by BaylorCamaro (Post 8327782)
Awesome, but I agree with others and hope this doesn't turn out to be a let down when they made the statement that the Mustang would weigh less.

At this point late in the process, You can take GM's word on the weight, the engineers are done with the car at this point (save minor adjustments on fit and finish or issues that arise in the validation and captured test fleet processes). My point is this...a Camaro weighing 200 pounds less is a reality. It may vary based on options, etc but we will have a significantly lighter car.

RaceAir 03-30-2015 10:35 AM

Don't count your chickens before they hatch. Wait until the car gets weighed by a third party. The Mustang fanboys got the rug pulled out from underneath them last year. Ford did indeed lower frame weight, but other changes added weight right back.

It does sound like Chevy is moving in the right direction, though. Fingers crossed.

Shark72 03-30-2015 10:37 AM

This is great news and to use the 1LE as the benchmark makes me a proud Gen 5 owner!!

Camaro_Corvette 03-30-2015 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obzen (Post 8328045)
Hopefully the weight savings doesn't come by skimping on the interior.

Agree, but so far it looks like weight was taken from other places.

Cody6.2 03-30-2015 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Autonaut (Post 8328017)
So will 3650:)

"At least 200 pounds"

3650 1le will destroy all cars within it's price range. It will take a gt350 to out run it.
Good times ahead.

Some minor weight mods will put it at 3600 easily!!


Comparing two cars that aren't even in production yet, awesome.

PYROLYSIS 03-30-2015 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Obzen (Post 8328045)
Hopefully the weight savings doesn't come by skimping on the interior.

I seriously doubt that. I expect the interior to be one of the biggests draws of the sixth gen.

Camaro SS Matt 03-30-2015 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaxChris (Post 8327807)
The PR post specifically says "reduce total curb weight for the new Camaro by more than 200 pounds". My curiosity is whether they are referring to each variant from 2015 to 2016 or if only the top model or bottom model has shaved over 200 lbs. Those with the composite suspension members will have the most weight savings, but those probably only come with the heavier/stiffer pistons on the performance variants to keep them highly competitive on paper.

Personal note 1: Looks like the center console will be going to a more traditional affair with a normal center stack in the dash. I think this is a good thing. I'm looking forward to something more ergonomic and easier to customize.

Personal note 2: My fear that Gen6 is going to end up looking like a Scion FR-S competitor have not yet been quelled. I hope it has all been epic misdirect with the front clip, hood and those lights. "Body by Veilside, lights by APC, bred for the '95 Eclipse, now available in American RWD"? ;o(

I currently daily drive a 2013 Scion FR-S and these cars are not in the same class at all in comparison to a Camaro. Still a drastic weight/power/handling difference. But performance per dollar, my money is going to be on the 2016 Camaro for sure. I don't think it's going to look anything like it tbh. If anything, it's going to look extremely similar to a 5th gen.

FR-S is a headturner, but the Camaro actually has the power to back up the good looks. :)

oneredry 03-30-2015 10:48 AM

key word is "at least" could be more, heck could be 250, 275? we don't know.


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