LT2 vs LT5
 

Just hear me out. We haven't heard much about the new LT2 that will be the base power plant for the C8. That is supposed to be a N/A 500ish hp tuned up LT1. What if they did keep the naturally aspirated idea like the previous gen Z/28 and instead of the LT5 they used the LT2?

I haven't read anyone else mention this but it makes sense to me. The only thing I would find hard to believe with this concept is the Z/28 car having the same heart as the new C8. I don't necessarily believe GM would allow that to happen.

A 6th gen, stripped out, more powerful NA Camaro than the SS but not as much power as the ZL1 (Just like 5th gen) and lighter than SS and ZL1. This is just an idea that hit me this morning.

Do I think it will actually happen? most likely not....

But what if they did?

It's not happening....

1.) The LT2 will most likely power the next generation Camaro...
2.) GM is not going to make the same mistakes twice by creating a stripper version Z/28
3.) They also wont basically create a more powerful SS 1LE

The reality is that the Z/28 is essentially dead in this environment... and short of them throwing an LT1 with a power bump into the ZL1 1LE setup... I don't see them ever building a 6th gen Z/28...

I have to agree with this ^ A similar thought hit me in the GT500 vs ZL1 thread.

The ZL1 as a grand tourer and with the 1LE track pack is such an amazing track car that does having a less powerful track car that isn't as good as the ZL1/ZLE make sense from a business point? As Blaq likes to say a track car that isn't as good on the track lol.

The 5th gen Z/28 really kind of screwed the pooch on a future Z/28. It was the top of the food chain, best performing track camaro.

I don't see any way they make a NA powered camaro outperform the ZLE. Yes they did in the 5th gen, but did it by making it 300 lbs lighter and were only down 75hp.

There are only 2 ways I see a 6th gen Z being possible.

Like you mentioned, a hot LT1 in a ZLE set up. It would be better than a SS 1LE, but not as good as teh ZL1 and would cater to the NA track guys.

Or if they just said screw the history and all the BS we spewed out with the 5th gen car and stick the LT5 in it.(which I don't see happening)

Exactly....

The real history of the Z/28 is basically what the SS 1LE has become....a proven road course handling machine but not as fast in a straight line as the SS. Would I be upset if they threw a hot LT1 into the ZLE setup and offered it as a Z/28? Not at all...

But if they offered it as the ZLE only and with an LT5? You'd probably have a lot of pissed of people looking to move away from Chevy....and I can't imagine GM wants that at all...

I take this image, with the "1"s forming a slash, to signify that the ZL1 1LE replaced the Z/28.

Purist couldn't abide a forced induction Z/28 so they retired the name.

I agree that the SS 1LE should have been Z/28 but the gen5 Z/28 is a hard act to follow naturally aspirated.

Original ZL1 Camaro wasn't even a small block let alone a blown small block.
Present ZL1 1LE is most likely the top of the food chain Camaro wise. The addition of the A10 is the icing on the cake. They could possibly build a drag friendly car but it's going to be a major challenge to improve on the 1LE chassis.
I think the Z28 is done.

Rumor has it the LT2 will be a 495BHP which is an LT1 with a different intake and cam out of the box. The LT3 will be a 510BHP 402ci that is currently found on gas powered HD trucks 6.6L engines. LT3 will be aluminum vs the L8T Iron block.

Curious where you've heard those rumors? Not tryin to hate, just always lookin for more info. So LT3 "396" SS and then maybe move from 5.3 to 5.7 and make "350" SS again? 😁 I don't see why 495 hp LT2 and then too close for comfort 510 hp LT3 though.

The LT3 will be a "400ci" 4.065 bore x 3.860 stroke, these were shared by GM Performance staff at PRI 2018. They would say it "Rumor has it" then in February the 2020 engine specs were released just like they mentioned. The LT2 is replacing the LT1s and LT3 will be targeted for C8 cars.

LT2 vs LT5
 

The Corvette and Camaro share the same motors........

Forget the NA Z28, sorry but it won’t compete any longer in that form.

The LT5 Z28 makes so much sense you all are blinded by the past! Why is this a bad thing?

I own a ZLE and would be happy if GM added the LT5 and named it the Z28 simply to crush the GT500 if it can even beat the ZLE;)


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I think many people would love to see the LT5 in camaro. The problem with the whole heritage thing is that it was GM that made such a big deal about it with the 5th gen. The 5th gen ZL1 was supposed to be called the Z28 but late they realized it didn't "fit" the heritage of the Z28. Then they got into this whole stupid / or no / and how they are different and how a Z/28 should be a high revving NA engine

How does it make sense? The Z/28 was never the most powerful Camaro and never competed with the GT500.

Because GM and Ford have flipped the script on the single purpose Camaro and Mustang. Camaro no longer plays the little brother to the Corvette with restricted engines and lesser tech.

The GT500 is no longer a straight line car.



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Problem is that a naturally aspirated engine is not enough to compete with the top track cars and the SS 1LE already fills the mid level niche.

The Z/28 needs to be forced induction ...or replace the SS 1LE in the NA V8 segment ...or be retired.

They're going to need a new name when they drop the LT5 in the ZL1 1LE... and ZL2 1LE just doesn't sound right. Why not Z/28? Sticking to the heritage didn't help move the 5th gen Z/28s off dealer lots.
Don't get me wrong I'd love a high revving naturally aspirated engine in a track focused car called Z/28. I just don't see that formula happening any time soon. Plus I'd love to see Chevy fire back at the GT500 when those specs are released. Similar to the way Ford announced their GT500 numbers right after Chevy introduced the ZL1.

This pretty much sums it up.

The only way we see another Z/28 is if they make the decision to rename the SS 1LE to Z/28...which would be a truly accurate decision. There is no need nor any chance that they're going to drop an LT5 into the current gen Camaro.

The main reason I don't see the LT5 going into the Camaro is I think it's the gran send off for the front engine vette.

I agree with your logic on the naming structure but GM has stuck with the 1LE monniker leaving no space for the Z/28.... unless an engine comes along that is suitable. I remain hopeful we see the LT5 in a Camaro.

Give me an example of something where the Camaro exceeds the Corvette, not including the A10 because that transmission doesn’t fit the C7 chassis. I know people like to say the Camaro isn’t limited anymore but the fact is the Camaro still doesn’t have an engine option that makes more power than the Corvette version and it doesn’t have a performance engine option that the Corvette never got.

The manual Camaro LT1 still has the AFM valve train, even though it can’t use it. The ZL1 LT4 still has the 1.7 liter blower, even though it didn’t need the low hood profile. The Camaro won’t get the LT5. The big n/a V8 for the C7 Z06 was scrapped, never mind that it could have been used for the Camaro.

LT2 vs LT5
 

I do not understand what your argument is here.

By nature the Camaro is heavier and has four seats. It’s not meant to “exceed” the two seat, smaller and lighter Corvette.

They share the same engines and the A10 doesn’t count because it doesn’t fit in the lighter smaller Corvette?.....The Camaro hood is better suited for a larger blower? Did you just confirm my point of the LT5? Or are you saying that because they had the room same as the A10 GM should have added a larger blower? Or are you simply saying because GM doesn’t make a Camaro only motor? Financially it makes sense the cars would share the same engines and to continue to do so.

The manual in the ZLE is also better than the one in the ZO6. Would that make two areas the Camaro is better? Camaro seats more people does that count?:)

Furthermore the LT5 will fit and is already in use, why wouldn’t GM use a motor already in use to spread the costs of making said car/motor.....? The larger NA motor likely did not pass emissions.

Like it or not right now FI is the present.

Im happy with the direction the Camaro has gone as I traded my C7GS for the ZLE and no way I could have done that with the Gen5 Camaro had they continued to keep it back with lesser engines etc.




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His point is basically that Camaro still doesn't get the top things Corvette does.

LS6 never went into the Camaro
LS9 never went into the Camaro
LS7 only went into the Camaro when Corvette was not using it.
LT5 most likely not going into Camaro.

LT2 vs LT5
 

I completely understand that but that is also my point that that IS THE PAST! Let’s not relive it and move forward.


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You claim the Camaro is no longer restricted, despite the fact that nothing has changed. The Camaro is still restricted to the lesser performance engines and does not get any performance engines of its own.

That doesn't mean that it can't now. It's just a name. If it's still attached to a Camaro, I couldn't care less about the heritage of the name.

Based on what? Nothing with the 6th generation is different than previous generations. The difference is GM simplified engine production by combining multiple engines into one or two. The LT1 replaced the LS3 and L99. The LT4 replaced the LS7 and L99. The end result is Corvette still dictates what engines are built and the Camaro still doesn’t get the best GM has to offer.

What else does GM have to offer right now?


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If you don’t care either way, then there’s no reason to call it Z/28.

If the 7th generation Camaro turned out to be a front wheel drive econo box, people would say it’s not a Camaro.

That’s my point.

Look what Ford does for the Mustang.

Look what Dodge does for the Challenger and Charger.

The only thing keeping GM from doing the same thing for the Camaro is the Corvette. We can’t get a 700+ hp Camaro because of the Corvette. We can’t get a 500+ n/a Camaro because of the Corvette.

He also said the Camaro wouldn’t get the LT4 because there wouldn’t be another engine beyond the LT4

He also said the SS would get a defined version of the LT1.

Yep, you got me there. I said I didn’t expect the LT4 because making two blown Corvettes didn’t and still doesn’t make sense to me.

And I said the LT1 probably wouldn’t be rated the same as the Corvette. The LT1 in the Camaro actually made 458 horsepower, but they rated it 455. Now why would GM willingly rate the Camaro at a lower horsepower rating? Gee, what could it be?

What? Having the underwhelming GT350 hold back the GT?

Alpha SS 1LE is the greatest performance bargain of all time.

The SS was a game changer in 2016.

The gen6 Camaro sent Ford engineers back to the drawing board

Chevy never posted a C7 Z06 Nurburgring ring time. They did the ZL1 and then surprised the world with the ZL1 1LE. Were they held back?

GM engineering is unrivaled, in my opinion. That doesn’t change the fact that GM would never attempt anything like the Voodoo, especially not for the Camaro. That’s what frustrates me as a GM fan. They have all this engineering excellence but the best they can do is a 6.2, a 6.2 with a blower and another 6.2 with a bigger blower? And those two blown 6.2s don’t even rival other blown 6.2s from other companies.

Yes.

What would the ZL1 have run with 700 horsepower? How about 750 horsepower?

Imagine a ZL1 1LE running a 7:0X.XX on the Ring. But we won’t get that.

LT2 vs LT5
 

I think he’s just salty that the sixth gen is so damn good. I’m guessing he’s pissed that the C8 is mid engine and that the Camaro should have been first to ME.

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Yes he did say that, thanks to Martin though we learned that at ZR-1 was always in the plans at GM. So GM knew the LT-4 would be shared.

The LT-1 in the Corvette is rated at 460, in the camaro its 455. yes its only 5 hp, and yes they probably both are 460, yet GM still rates it higher in the Corvette.

That still pisses me off lol. GM took the C6 back 4 different times to get better lap times. Yet not one C7 lap time.

The Mustang is their only big car, and it shares motors with multiple vehicles.


They really only started doing this once the decision to axe the Viper came down. Prior to that decision, the Viper was king and nothing exceeded it in performance. Even with a Hellcat motor outperforming the V10, they still opted to keep it that way (when really a Hellcat/Demon powered Viper would have been AWESOME!)


Actually, GM already produced a drag pak for the ZL1....that put the car at about 800hp with minimal changes/effort. The reason we haven't got it? You'd have to ask GM.... you can get a 700+HP ZL1 with a simple pulley swap.

With the addition of the new C8, I would expect to see the Camaro finally get its own new toys....but there is no way they are dropping an LT5 into the current ZL1. They wont name a blown motor Camaro a Z/28...because that Heritage means something to them..

More to the point, and the single biggest point, it would make far more sense for them to go all nutjob like the Demon and label it a C.O.P.O Camaro....and yes, this is both accurate and historical..

The C7 was also rated at 455 HP. The performance exhaust increased it to 460 HP.

Bottom line - Chevy gave Camaro everything it had. They emphasized performance to the detriment of sales (no half hearted V8 like the coming 2020 LT1 trim).

No way you can say they held it back. No way.