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mikeyg36 02-17-2013 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SlingShot (Post 6172706)
One of the big things is the difference in power curves between DI and non DI engines. If you look at a dyno graph the HP has a curve where the TQ is flat in the DI engine. I believe the AFM will be used just to save on the GG tax.

It's being used to raise the CAFE ratings. The Corvette doesn't have GG tax to begin with.

SlingShot 02-17-2013 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mikeyg36 (Post 6172712)
It's being used to raise the CAFE ratings. The Corvette doesn't have GG tax to begin with.


The ZR1 does ... But who know as far as the 2014, prices haven't been released yet.

mikeyg36 02-17-2013 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SlingShot (Post 6172750)
The ZR1 does ... But who know as far as the 2014, prices haven't been released yet.

Just saying, if an LS3 based Corvette doesn't have it, a non afm based LT1 wouldn't have it.

90503 02-17-2013 07:09 PM

Wow...If AFM is on all V-8 LT1 Gen6 Camaros...that is cause for concern...maybe the Vette boys have found a way around it already, or perhaps soon...

On another note, this direct injection business.....the LFX V-6 Camaros have that already...(seems to be a plus), but also means no after-market headers????...wonder if the same would be the case on direct-injection LT1s...

GretchenGotGrowl 02-17-2013 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 90503 (Post 6173106)
Wow...If AFM is on all V-8 LT1 Gen6 Camaros...that is cause for concern...maybe the Vette boys have found a way around it already, or perhaps soon...

On another note, this direct injection business.....the LFX V-6 Camaros have that already...(seems to be a plus), but also means no after-market headers????...wonder if the same would be the case on direct-injection LT1s...

LLT is DI and you can have headers. LFX also has the exhaust manifold integrated in the heads, that is why they can't do headers.

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sspolo 02-17-2013 09:14 PM

Does the Camaro and Corvette share the same engine? From what I understood, the ZR1 has the LS9, the Z06 has the LS7. Does the base Corvette have the LS3? If it does, I would have imagined the Camaro SS having an "inferior" engine in comparison to the base Corvette.

mikeyg36 02-17-2013 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sspolo (Post 6173723)
Does the Camaro and Corvette share the same engine? From what I understood, the ZR1 has the LS9, the Z06 has the LS7. Does the base Corvette have the LS3? If it does, I would have imagined the Camaro SS having an "inferior" engine in comparison to the base Corvette.

Yes, base Vette has the LS3 and the Grand Sport Coupe has a dry sump LS3.

90503 02-18-2013 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl (Post 6173140)
LLT is DI and you can have headers. LFX also has the exhaust manifold integrated in the heads, that is why they can't do headers.

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Ok...so let's say this LT1 engine is the "standard" V-8 for the 6thGen SS...

...any rumors, or whatever about other V-8 options?...LS7? LS3, is done with?...Could these be special ordered???...just hoping some V-8 would be available without AFM...

FenwickHockey65 02-18-2013 11:13 AM

LT4 will probably work its way into the 6th gen eventually.

90503 02-18-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65 (Post 6175509)
LT4 will probably work its way into the 6th gen eventually.

Ok...I'll bite...What the heck is an LT4?...lol...(sorry...lol)...(the short version will do)...lol

FenwickHockey65 02-18-2013 11:19 AM

Well let's just say the Gen V V8 is very friendly with forced induction.

GretchenGotGrowl 02-18-2013 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by 90503 (Post 6175471)
Ok...so let's say this LT1 engine is the "standard" V-8 for the 6thGen SS...

...any rumors, or whatever about other V-8 options?...LS7? LS3, is done with?...Could these be special ordered???...just hoping some V-8 would be available without AFM...

I think the rumors about the LS7 are more for the final year(s) of the 5th Gen. I think (read hope) the LS7 will have it's swan song with the Camaro, but I'm pretty sure its on the way out.

I don't really know what to expect with the LS3. I don't think it will go away immediately, but GM is going the migrate everything over to the Gen V motors at some point. We will probably see the LS3 and L99 through the rest of the 5th Gen Camaro runs. We may see the L99 popup in some other platforms before it is retired. It's all really hard to guess, but we know ultimately GM will replace the Gen IV motors with the Gen V motors.

KMPrenger 02-18-2013 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65 (Post 6175540)
Well let's just say the Gen V V8 is very friendly with forced induction.

We've touched on this subject before, and I have to say I don't doubt that at all.

The V6 DI engines are capable of making some pretty impressive power figures with just 6 - 8 psi of boost. (450+ HP at the crank) But past that amount of boost, we typically see fuel issues where the stock pump can't keep up.

That same small amount of boost on a modern V8 DI engine should be super impressive.

GretchenGotGrowl 02-18-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KMPrenger (Post 6175827)
We've touched on this subject before, and I have to say I don't doubt that at all.

The V6 DI engines are capable of making some pretty impressive power figures with just 6 - 8 psi of boost. (450+ HP at the crank) But past that amount of boost, we typically see fuel issues where the stock pump can't keep up.

That same small amount of boost on a modern V8 DI engine should be super impressive.

Yeah, these mechanical High-Pressure Fuel Pumps are a PITA. Too big and they flow too much fuel at idle and low RPMs. Too small and they don't flow enough at the high RPMs. It would be nice if they had two, one that had a valve that didn't open to the fuel rails until the RPMs were above 4000, otherwise it just recirculates the fuel. I think that would solve the problem for high HP demands.


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