Considering you can get a TVS2650 from Edelbrock for less than $6k (with CARB-numbers if that matters to you), I wouldn't argue against making an LT5. Still - you have LT4-limitations from fueling though that are partially alleviated, though, apparently, not by too much. And no factory warranty...
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I was adamant in the thought that GM was not going to put the LT5 in the Camaro. But now I think it is a possibility. I think maybe a 25% possibility. But a possibility nonetheless.
Looking at the 700+ HP cars out there, how many can be had for the price of a ZL1? Not one. If GM puts the LT5 in the ZL1 and calls it a Z28 then what kind of price hike are we talking about? Remember how horribly the last Z28 sold at $70K+? Ok so the ZLE is at $70K MSRP. But how many people are buying them? Throw the LT5 in the ZLE and you'll see $80K easily. Who is buying a Camaro for $80K? I sure as hell ain't. Well maybe. But will they sell enough of them? I doubt it. The only way this would work is if GM built a very limited amount of them and made sure they were all sold or most of them were sold beforehand. But I think the market for an $80K and up RWD high HP fair weather vehicle is dwindling. It is getting harder and harder to justify paying the money they're asking for these cars. So I don't think it's a matter of GM doing it so much as being a matter of who is gonna buy it. Honestly, most people with $80K and up who are buying GM are looking at Corvettes. Because no matter how good and how much HP a ZL1 has, it is still a Camaro. And people who want to differentiate from the Camaro crowd are buying Corvettes. Honestly that is why I'm probably switching over to Vettes. Because my ZL1 is still a Camaro. And Vettes just have a completely different vibe to them. Anyway the ZL1 sold because it is basically a 3LZ-optioned Camaro with the same engine but in a Camaro and for about half the price. I don't think a Z28 with the LT5 and full options will be priced decently enough to make people buy it. |
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Demon sales support this niche market as well. Chevy has never even attempted to offer competitive HP to Dodge and Ford. ZL1 is a great car, but it's strength is handling. Straight line, it is out muscled by Dodge and will be by the GT500 as well. As for Corvettes, I shopped plenty of C6 ZR1s before I bought my C2 GS Mongoose Motorsports car. That was before baby. I plan on keeping the GS, but the next car won't be another Vette, it will be a newer Camaro, so either a ZL1 or an LT5 powered Camaro which I'm hoping for. I already have a road course car, so I don't need another ultimate handling Camaro, the Z/28 showed that was a bad sales pitch at a high cost. The Demon has shown that a monster straight line HP machine will sell. |
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Chevy built a car that competes very well with the Hellcats head to head in a straight line while out muscling everything else in handling. No, they haven't responded to Dodge or now Ford's high HP cars.... but again, they don't need a massive amount of effort to do it. A simple pulley swap with updated factory tune would put the ZL1 at 720hp...throw in an aftermarket intake and boom... you're at about 625hp to the wheels.. If GM wanted to go Demon style and offer a copo styled drag street car, I wouldn't be upset about it...but don't call it a ZL1.... |
It's hard to say GM won't make LT5 Camaro in future. Maybe, they can do same formula like LT1 Camaro, just put the LT5 in ZL1. Or, they could put new NA engine or DOHC engine to ZLE as new Z/28.
LS9 never come in Camaro and Caddy, but GM did put LS9 in zeta platform. The final of real Holden, HSV GTS-R, is LS9. |
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If GM could stab an LT5 in a ZLE, I think that's mostly all they'd need to do to be competitive with GT500 and HCs. I know it's not that simple, but most of the hardware is already there. There's already cooling and aero, and they can use TM to help control driveline thrashing, so I don't know they'd be in Demon-territory for price, if they didn't want to be.
What I didn't say above is that I'm not talking down on GM. I think what they're offering are way better cars. BUT - I don't know that they are building cars for regular people (in terms of Camaros - I'm not talking about trucks anymore). People like us appreciate big brakes and e'diffs and shocks that come from a company that doesn't sell to the public. But GM's just not appealing to the masses. I think Dodge has more heart and soul into their product (that reaches out to customers) than Ford or GM at this point. I think Ford just stamps out stuff they can sell. And GM tries to give the customer an outstanding product but has lost what is largely valued by it's customers and out-prices what the competition charges - the value on GM's work is lost on lack of interest. ANYWAYS... I do sincerely hope they put LT5 in Camaro. I think it can sell and I think it can bring some brand recognition, too. I won't be 3-inch-high-wheelie-for 2-foot-cool but it can still have cred' on the strip where I think it will be most relate-able. If they can get it to throw flames out of the pipes like ZR1, too, I think that would be badass :w00t: HAHAHA |
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An LT5 Camaro would be equally as limited and special as the Demon or very close to it. No reason GM can't offer a specified production number and they will all be sold. Quote:
Demon shows max content, max HP straight line, limited production numbers (LT5 is hand built and would be a limited Camaro, especially as top dog), yields sales and people paying the price. LT5 Camaro would best the C7 Z06 in acceleration and the Alpha is crazy close in handling already. Many people would prefer a lower production number car, over a belly-button Corvette, myself included...and I'm a Vette owner. |
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