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Trochoidal 01-07-2022 03:37 PM

TooHighPsi - Procharger
 
I decided to call Mike today to discuss using the Vindicator 2 LT1/LT4 "SC" Port Plate System with a Procharger. It appears that if I go with the Procharger I can keep stock fueling and use their SC plate (Stock Coil). This is great feedback.

I’m sharing this for anyone who may also want to go with Procharger.

https://www.toohighpsi.com/product-p...t-plate-system

radz28 01-07-2022 05:30 PM

Another plus for Mike!

laynlo15 01-08-2022 08:24 AM

Mike and Mike Jr plus a bunch of old Magnuson Employee' are going to do a lot of great things for the Lt1/4 platform. They are putting those new Haas machines to the test. Not just saying that because he was my old boss at Magnuson, but he was pretty much is responsible for the creation of the 2650 that many are running now plus the 2650s for the Copo's.

Joshinator99 01-08-2022 09:28 AM

If you’re running LT1 injectors and HPFP and think you’re going to start modding your LT1 with any kind of forced induction, this is a no brainer.

Trochoidal 01-08-2022 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshinator99 (Post 11117852)
If youíre running LT1 injectors and HPFP and think youíre going to start modding your LT1 with any kind of forced induction, this is a no brainer.

Thatís the plan for sure. This build will see some passes at the track but it will primarily remain a street car. I want to run full E with plenty of headroom. Minus the install of the pump, this should be a straight install. (We all know expectations never meet reality with regards to projects like this)

Between what Mike Jr., cjperformance, and airtroop accomplished the only real decision will be whether I stick with the Procharger or move to 2650. Iím hearing lead time for 2650 is 14 weeks. Thereís enough time between now and spring before this project starts. If I do decide to go 2650, Iíll need to order that soon.

1LEornothing 01-08-2022 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Joshinator99 (Post 11117852)
If youíre running LT1 injectors and HPFP and think youíre going to start modding your LT1 with any kind of forced induction, this is a no brainer.

What would be needed besides the kit and the required 8 bosch injectors? A holley dominator efi ecu?

Joshinator99 01-08-2022 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 1LEornothing (Post 11117921)
What would be needed besides the kit and the required 8 bosch injectors? A holley dominator efi ecu?

You're going to have to beef up the low side for sure. Talk to Mike at TooHighPsi for his suggestions on that. I went Fore triple but that might be overkill for your build, not sure what your goals are.

The Dominator setup from Crawford with dual widebands is the gold standard for PI in my opinion but again, overkill for most builds. TooHighPsi sells the MAF Fusion control which is simple and effective enough.

Trochoidal 01-08-2022 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 1LEornothing (Post 11117921)
What would be needed besides the kit and the required 8 bosch injectors? A holley dominator efi ecu?

The items in aitroop01ís thread seem to be complete.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CPPGteMh_DO/

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showp...10&postcount=1

cjperformance 01-10-2022 01:33 PM

Just making some conversation and speculation...

I have zero experience with secondary port injection, but as a general rule simpler is better. I went with LT4 injectors & HPFP... + DSX low side... In hindsight, with similar goals maybe the only thing I would have done differently is go with even larger injectors and HPFP to run full E. Not sure if I would need a cam w/ larger fuel lobe at that point. So I think the deciding factor for me between larger capacity DI vs supplementary port would be whether I would need to add a cam to support DI only.

I like the idea of playing with secondary port injection, but for a primarily street driven setup... I might worry about the complexity of having two systems.

Just some thoughts, again pure speculation... With DI + Port... I would think risks are similar as with DI + Meth from a fueling perspective... Meaning a failure in the supplemental port inj might still allow the engine to run lean, where with ONLY DI if there's a pump failure, it would be more likely to get zero fuel, or not enough to keep runnning, where with supplemental... there might be enough fueling happening to run lean for longer?

Personally I would prefer to exhaust my DI fueling options (heh heh) before going with supplemental port. If you were doing it for fun, that's different! I would love to do it just for the tuning experience.

EDFHOBBIES 01-11-2022 03:32 PM

Any Idea which way you will tune?


Are you going to tune off a second map or IPW base operation off of TPS?

EDFHOBBIES 01-11-2022 03:34 PM

[QUOTE=cjperformance;11118635]


I like the idea of playing with secondary port injection, but for a primarily street driven setup... I might worry about the complexity of having two systems.


Sounds like you been reading JRE posts!

1LEornothing 01-11-2022 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cjperformance (Post 11118635)
Just making some conversation and speculation...

I have zero experience with secondary port injection, but as a general rule simpler is better. I went with LT4 injectors & HPFP... + DSX low side... In hindsight, with similar goals maybe the only thing I would have done differently is go with even larger injectors and HPFP to run full E. Not sure if I would need a cam w/ larger fuel lobe at that point. So I think the deciding factor for me between larger capacity DI vs supplementary port would be whether I would need to add a cam to support DI only.

I like the idea of playing with secondary port injection, but for a primarily street driven setup... I might worry about the complexity of having two systems.

Just some thoughts, again pure speculation... With DI + Port... I would think risks are similar as with DI + Meth from a fueling perspective... Meaning a failure in the supplemental port inj might still allow the engine to run lean, where with ONLY DI if there's a pump failure, it would be more likely to get zero fuel, or not enough to keep runnning, where with supplemental... there might be enough fueling happening to run lean for longer?

Personally I would prefer to exhaust my DI fueling options (heh heh) before going with supplemental port. If you were doing it for fun, that's different! I would love to do it just for the tuning experience.

Considering vehicles like the C7 ZR1 and newer mustang gts come from the factory with both direct injection AND port fuel injection, I'd say the risk is rather low when the set up is implemented correctly. A meth pump is highly more susceptible to failure than a complementary port injection system in my opinion.

EDFHOBBIES 01-11-2022 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 1LEornothing (Post 11119196)
Considering vehicles like the C7 ZR1 and newer mustang gts come from the factory with both direct injection AND port fuel injection, I'd say the risk is rather low when the set up is implemented correctly. A meth pump is highly more susceptible to failure than a complementary port injection system in my opinion.

No not that easy the pcm and port module talk to each other. Harder to do e85 on that car to.

cjperformance 01-12-2022 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES (Post 11119193)


Sounds like you been reading JRE posts!

Lol, that and personal experience as a software developer and general tinkerer.


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