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Jrodx 12-06-2021 05:44 PM

Canards on regular ZL1?
 
Has anyone installed the actual canards on a regular ZL1? What was your process?

kropscamaro16 12-06-2021 05:45 PM

i think you need the grill and lower lip also

Jrodx 12-06-2021 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by kropscamaro16 (Post 11106015)
i think you need the grill and lower lip also

I bought the Air ducts that attach to the Canards but I am just curious on how others drilled holes for the Canards and anything else they did to get these installed.

Wuiquen 12-06-2021 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jrodx (Post 11106016)
I bought the Air ducts that attach to the Canards but I am just curious on how others drilled holes for the Canards and anything else they did to get these installed.

Apparently 2018 and newer ZL1 have the marking inside the bumper where one needs to drill and cut.. i will be doing this soon. There are lots of threads here about it..

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gra359 12-06-2021 06:55 PM

As Wuiquen said the markings are on the inside of the front bumper. You need to remove the whole front bumper to do this install. You will need the front Air Ducts as well as the Canards. You do not need the front grill or splitter to do what you want to do. But as long as you have the front bumper off it's a good Idea to install them all so. Here is a link that will help you out. My car starts out at post #230
https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showt...512449&page=12

AZIROC 12-06-2021 08:27 PM

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Like the others have said, you will need the 1LE airducts as well as the plastic clip that secure the canards into them (clips GM part # 11547341. You will need 12) . the front end is very easy to take off, just time consuming. Plenty of YouTube videos to show you how. Thankfully on the inside of the front end its marked where and how long you need to cut. Just take your time and go slow.


I recently installed the TruFiber carbon fiber air ducts and canards and they fit exactly like OEM (which is saying alot, specially when working with carbon fiber). now im just on the forever wait list for the carbon fiber 1le grill/front spoiler. Id say total time from start to finish was right about 6 hours. Getting those plastic clips off the oem air ducts and the new ones in are a huge pain and it will kill your finger tips. In the end, it's well worth it imo.

Wuiquen 12-06-2021 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AZIROC (Post 11106065)
Like the others have said, you will need the 1LE airducts as well as the plastic clip that secure the canards into them (clips GM part # 11547341. You will need 12) . the front end is very easy to take off, just time consuming. Plenty of YouTube videos to show you how. Thankfully on the inside of the front end its marked where and how long you need to cut. Just take your time and go slow.


I recently installed the TruFiber carbon fiber air ducts and canards and they fit exactly like OEM (which is saying alot, specially when working with carbon fiber). now im just on the forever wait list for the carbon fiber 1le grill/front spoiler. Id say total time from start to finish was right about 6 hours. Getting those plastic clips off the oem air ducts and the new ones in are a huge pain and it will kill your finger tips. In the end, it's well worth it imo.

Niceee.. yeah I can't wait. I went full on with the lower grill and splitter.

Of course my high wing is almost ready too

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20Bluezl1 12-06-2021 08:36 PM

Waiting on my order I placed on black Friday to convert the front end to 1le.

84277493 Outer Grille $48.52
84277492 Outer Grille $48.52
23329726 Deflector $51.10
23329727 Deflector $51.10
84335736 Spoiler. $146.38
23329729 Deflector $89.55
84375811 Lower Grille $120.41
11609456 Glove Box Assembly Screw qty 6 $21.66
23329728 Deflector $88.68
84718397 F Grille $201.38



From Clips and fasteners

A21835 Chrysler Moulding Clips 68225214AA Jeep Cherokee
1 $9.94

A21524 Cadillac, Chevrolet, and Pontiac Center Console Door, Front Lights, Grille, Instrument Panel & Lift Gate Nut With Silicone Pad 11610157
1 $17.40


I also went with the APR rear wing

AZIROC 12-06-2021 08:37 PM

If I could find those 2 parts in stock ANYWHERE I'd buy them ASAP. Well, in CF. The OEM stuff is fairly inexpensive though. I just don't like the flat black.

PROMETHEUS 12-07-2021 04:05 AM

I did it to my 19. On the back of the bumper there are marks to show you where you need to cut out for the canards. You will need to remove LEDs and purchase the 1LE bezels, because the canard attaches to them also. You don't have to install the center grills or 1LE spoiler, but IMHO I don't think it will look right without them. I have a list of parts you will need, along with places I found that had the cheapest prices and lowest shipping rates. But of course, with the country in its current state, I suspect those prices have gone up. Be glad to pass it along, but I need an email address, because I can't PM the word document.

infinitereality 12-07-2021 07:07 AM

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I just put only canards and bezels on my ZL1 a couple weeks, stock grill and splitter. I had the bezels smoothed and painted mosaic black and canards left texture and had painted in body color. With everything else being gloss on the car, felt I had to paint them. I looked every where to find pictures with only canards but not many out there.

Like others have said, removing the front bumper isn't hard and just time consuming. Removing the little clips to get bezels off wasn't too much fun, but wasn't as bad as I was expecting it. It took me 3.5hrs start to finish taking my time and I also swapped brake pads out while I had the front wheels off. While the front bumper is off you can remove the chrome bowtie to paint or plasti-dip if you'd like.

I haven't decided if I'm going to do the ZLE grill and splitter yet. Originally I was leaning towards a lower splitter addition from APR, but with it being a daily and getting in/out of places with the front being another 2" longer I think may not be worth it. One day I'd like to get another set of dive planes and chop an inch off the width and weld the air foil back on, I think they would fit my car better.

Wuiquen 12-07-2021 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by infinitereality (Post 11106148)
I just put only canards and bezels on my ZL1 a couple weeks, stock grill and splitter. I had the bezels smoothed and painted mosaic black and canards left texture and had painted in body color. With everything else being gloss on the car, felt I had to paint them. I looked every where to find pictures with only canards but not many out there.

Like others have said, removing the front bumper isn't hard and just time consuming. Removing the little clips to get bezels off wasn't too much fun, but wasn't as bad as I was expecting it. It took me 3.5hrs start to finish taking my time and I also swapped brake pads out while I had the front wheels off. While the front bumper is off you can remove the chrome bowtie to paint or plasti-dip if you'd like.

I haven't decided if I'm going to do the ZLE grill and splitter yet. Originally I was leaning towards a lower splitter addition from APR, but with it being a daily and getting in/out of places with the front being another 2" longer I think may not be worth it. One day I'd like to get another set of dive planes and chop an inch off the width and weld the air foil back on, I think they would fit my car better.

How hard was removing the bowtie? How did you install it back?

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infinitereality 12-07-2021 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Wuiquen (Post 11106160)
How hard was removing the bowtie? How did you install it back?

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It's plastic welded onto the upper grill. I took an old soldering iron to melt the plastic and it pops right off. I haven't installed it back yet, haven't decided which one will work the best, 3M VHB or maybe epoxy it back. I think the latter is way to go so it sits nice and flush again.

EDFHOBBIES 12-07-2021 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by infinitereality (Post 11106161)
It's plastic welded onto the upper grill. I took an old soldering iron to melt the plastic and it pops right off. I haven't installed it back yet, haven't decided which one will work the best, 3M VHB or maybe epoxy it back. I think the latter is way to go so it sits nice and flush again.

omg you gave me a badass idea with the logo.

I been playing around with mould making and got it down.

I think ill make a clear or maybe add red tint to it and light it up like the GM but this will be hollow instead of bulky. probably use some miniature rope light i dont want to see LED dot.

infinitereality 12-07-2021 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES (Post 11106224)
omg you gave me a badass idea with the logo.

I been playing around with mould making and got it down.

I think ill make a clear or maybe add red tint to it and light it up like the GM but this will be hollow instead of bulky. probably use some miniature rope light i dont want to see LED dot.

I actually wanted to make a mold of the flowtie as well and did try with some air dry putting but was too soft to hold itself shape and make a nice mold since the flowtie is angled (I think was around 127 deg). Originally I had my mind made up to skin the flowtie in carbon, but decided to just paint it in the end. I didn't feel like running without it for a few weeks so could work on it here and there when I had time and in between the weather's cold snaps. Also if I screwed up some how, I'd have to purchase a whole new upper grill to replace. I plan to skin it at some point down the road, maybe spring/summer when it warms up.

I tried a few things on an old TBSS to illuminate the bowtie on it back in the day. I'm unsure if my Photobucket pics still show up since they get blocked at work. If they don't, I have copies I can upload if interested. Just sharing, maybe something will help illuminate your flow tie. Please make a thread when you do get yours done!

https://www.tbssowners.com/threads/f...glo-tie.29889/

https://www.tbssowners.com/threads/t...e-ideas.31045/

dfxrte 12-07-2021 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitereality (Post 11106148)
I just put only canards and bezels on my ZL1 a couple weeks, stock grill and splitter. I had the bezels smoothed and painted mosaic black and canards left texture and had painted in body color. With everything else being gloss on the car, felt I had to paint them. I looked every where to find pictures with only canards but not many out there.

Like others have said, removing the front bumper isn't hard and just time consuming. Removing the little clips to get bezels off wasn't too much fun, but wasn't as bad as I was expecting it. It took me 3.5hrs start to finish taking my time and I also swapped brake pads out while I had the front wheels off. While the front bumper is off you can remove the chrome bowtie to paint or plasti-dip if you'd like.

I haven't decided if I'm going to do the ZLE grill and splitter yet. Originally I was leaning towards a lower splitter addition from APR, but with it being a daily and getting in/out of places with the front being another 2" longer I think may not be worth it. One day I'd like to get another set of dive planes and chop an inch off the width and weld the air foil back on, I think they would fit my car better.


Nice job, front end looks great!

20Bluezl1 12-07-2021 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitereality (Post 11106273)
I actually wanted to make a mold of the flowtie as well and did try with some air dry putting but was too soft to hold itself shape and make a nice mold since the flowtie is angled (I think was around 127 deg). Originally I had my mind made up to skin the flowtie in carbon, but decided to just paint it in the end. I didn't feel like running without it for a few weeks so could work on it here and there when I had time and in between the weather's cold snaps. Also if I screwed up some how, I'd have to purchase a whole new upper grill to replace. I plan to skin it at some point down the road, maybe spring/summer when it warms up.

I tried a few things on an old TBSS to illuminate the bowtie on it back in the day. I'm unsure if my Photobucket pics still show up since they get blocked at work. If they don't, I have copies I can upload if interested. Just sharing, maybe something will help illuminate your flow tie. Please make a thread when you do get yours done!

https://www.tbssowners.com/threads/f...glo-tie.29889/

https://www.tbssowners.com/threads/t...e-ideas.31045/

Can't see no pictures

infinitereality 12-08-2021 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by 20Bluezl1 (Post 11106329)
Can't see no pictures

I was afraid of that, I'll dig some up on my home PC to share. Maybe it'll give EDFHOBBIES some ideas on his, I'm excited to see what he comes up with. Maybe motivate me to tinker some.

OP... If you get the canards and have them painted, if you daily the car it may be worth adding PPF to the fronts of them. I'm unsure how well PPF will work with the texture of the canards though, just a thought I had yesterday and considering to test PPF on mine to see. Good part with the paint and clear, it fills in the texture some so it's not as pronounced.

infinitereality 12-08-2021 07:24 AM

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I actually had a few finished pics on my work computer. These are the "glo-tie" ones where there's 8 LEDs behind the billet bowtie. Apologize for the potato quality as these are from 2008ish

EDFHOBBIES 12-08-2021 07:39 AM

I have tooling coat, wax, and dump gun ready. I usually do carbon but can't see why just epoxy and mixture rope light or fiber optic would work incassed in to time epoxy. I need to see how gm or ikon did there's and duplicate with no center section.

infinitereality 12-08-2021 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES (Post 11106571)
I have tooling coat, wax, and dump gun ready. I usually do carbon but can't see why just epoxy and mixture rope light or fiber optic would work incassed in to time epoxy. I need to see how gm or ikon did there's and duplicate with no center section.

I'm 100% with you, rope light incased in epoxy should work. Just a matter of how well the light is dispersed. If not good enough, you could always scuff it up to help disperse and would hide rope lights. I think if I was doing it, I'd scuff it up and then tape off the front outline and paint the rest black? For some reason, I think being LED and mine being a daily driver I'd consider having a constant 12v to it so it's always on. I'm very interested to see what you come up with, if you attempt doing it and comes out decent would be awesome to have a thread on it. Heck, probably could sell some if you wanted.

If you'd like pictures of my bowtie or grill while it's off, I'll be glad to snap some. Just shoot me a PM so we don't take up more of OP's thread. :)

Firecaptain 12-08-2021 09:20 AM

@Jrodx.....here ya go happy reading....these should be in a "sticky"



https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=508925

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=512449

https://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=567083





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Originally Posted by Jrodx (Post 11106012)
Has anyone installed the actual canards on a regular ZL1? What was your process?


AZIROC 12-08-2021 12:26 PM

Now I saw OPs painted parts, im kinda torn on getting the carbon fiber 1LE grill/splitter vs oem (way cheaper) and having them painted the mosaic black....which will still be cheaper in the long run.

infinitereality 12-08-2021 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AZIROC (Post 11106679)
Now I saw OPs painted parts, im kinda torn on getting the carbon fiber 1LE grill/splitter vs oem (way cheaper) and having them painted the mosaic black....which will still be cheaper in the long run.

For reference for you or OP, it cost me $150 to get 2 bezels smoothed in mosaic black and 2 canards only painted gloss black by a pro. My original reason was due to cost, with wait times following close behind for the carbon parts. In hindsight after installing them painted, I think it was the best choice. Don't get me wrong, I love me some carbon but I was on the fence about doing the dive planes only in general and ended up liking how color matching canards blend in with the car depending on the angle.

Wuiquen 12-08-2021 01:39 PM

I am planning to wrap the canards and the bezels with 3M mosaic black vinyl. The match is really close to the actual paint.

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infinitereality 12-08-2021 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Wuiquen (Post 11106703)
I am planning to wrap the canards and the bezels with 3M mosaic black vinyl. The match is really close to the actual paint.

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I went back and forth on if I wanted all 4 done in mosaic black or gloss black, in the end I chose to mix and match colors. My painter originally misread my text when he went to spray them so the bezels were black and canards mosaic. I initially considered keeping them as he sprayed (I hate being "that guy"), but I went to hold the canard up to the car in the sun and immediately knew I had to mention he got the colors wrong. For me the metallic just didn't look right on them.

Random question, but will vinyl stick well enough to the texture of the dive planes? I didn't consider wrapping mine. The texture is decently coarse, just curious if vinyl would stick.

20Bluezl1 12-08-2021 02:19 PM

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Parts are in for the front end conversion nice winter project.

Wuiquen 12-08-2021 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by infinitereality (Post 11106708)
I went back and forth on if I wanted all 4 done in mosaic black or gloss black, in the end I chose to mix and match colors. My painter originally misread my text when he went to spray them so the bezels were black and canards mosaic. I initially considered keeping them as he sprayed (I hate being "that guy"), but I went to hold the canard up to the car in the sun and immediately knew I had to mention he got the colors wrong. For me the metallic just didn't look right on them.



Random question, but will vinyl stick well enough to the texture of the dive planes? I didn't consider wrapping mine. The texture is decently coarse, just curious if vinyl would stick.

We shall see if it sticks.. I am doing it myself so I can redo if needed. Figured I would try before painting.

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infinitereality 12-09-2021 06:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Wuiquen (Post 11106866)
We shall see if it sticks.. I am doing it myself so I can redo if needed. Figured I would try before painting.

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Keep us posted, I am curious. In the meantime, if I try to PPF the fronts of my canards soon I'll report back outcome


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