LT2 vs LT5
Just hear me out. We haven't heard much about the new LT2 that will be the base power plant for the C8. That is supposed to be a N/A 500ish hp tuned up LT1. What if they did keep the naturally aspirated idea like the previous gen Z/28 and instead of the LT5 they used the LT2?
I haven't read anyone else mention this but it makes sense to me. The only thing I would find hard to believe with this concept is the Z/28 car having the same heart as the new C8. I don't necessarily believe GM would allow that to happen. A 6th gen, stripped out, more powerful NA Camaro than the SS but not as much power as the ZL1 (Just like 5th gen) and lighter than SS and ZL1. This is just an idea that hit me this morning. Do I think it will actually happen? most likely not.... But what if they did? |
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1.) The LT2 will most likely power the next generation Camaro... 2.) GM is not going to make the same mistakes twice by creating a stripper version Z/28 3.) They also wont basically create a more powerful SS 1LE The reality is that the Z/28 is essentially dead in this environment... and short of them throwing an LT1 with a power bump into the ZL1 1LE setup... I don't see them ever building a 6th gen Z/28... |
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The ZL1 as a grand tourer and with the 1LE track pack is such an amazing track car that does having a less powerful track car that isn't as good as the ZL1/ZLE make sense from a business point? As Blaq likes to say a track car that isn't as good on the track lol. The 5th gen Z/28 really kind of screwed the pooch on a future Z/28. It was the top of the food chain, best performing track camaro. I don't see any way they make a NA powered camaro outperform the ZLE. Yes they did in the 5th gen, but did it by making it 300 lbs lighter and were only down 75hp. There are only 2 ways I see a 6th gen Z being possible. Like you mentioned, a hot LT1 in a ZLE set up. It would be better than a SS 1LE, but not as good as teh ZL1 and would cater to the NA track guys. Or if they just said screw the history and all the BS we spewed out with the 5th gen car and stick the LT5 in it.(which I don't see happening) |
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The real history of the Z/28 is basically what the SS 1LE has become....a proven road course handling machine but not as fast in a straight line as the SS. Would I be upset if they threw a hot LT1 into the ZLE setup and offered it as a Z/28? Not at all... But if they offered it as the ZLE only and with an LT5? You'd probably have a lot of pissed of people looking to move away from Chevy....and I can't imagine GM wants that at all... |
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I take this image, with the "1"s forming a slash, to signify that the ZL1 1LE replaced the Z/28.
Purist couldn't abide a forced induction Z/28 so they retired the name. I agree that the SS 1LE should have been Z/28 but the gen5 Z/28 is a hard act to follow naturally aspirated. |
Original ZL1 Camaro wasn't even a small block let alone a blown small block.
Present ZL1 1LE is most likely the top of the food chain Camaro wise. The addition of the A10 is the icing on the cake. They could possibly build a drag friendly car but it's going to be a major challenge to improve on the 1LE chassis. I think the Z28 is done. |
Rumor has it the LT2 will be a 495BHP which is an LT1 with a different intake and cam out of the box. The LT3 will be a 510BHP 402ci that is currently found on gas powered HD trucks 6.6L engines. LT3 will be aluminum vs the L8T Iron block.
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The Corvette and Camaro share the same motors........
Forget the NA Z28, sorry but it won’t compete any longer in that form. The LT5 Z28 makes so much sense you all are blinded by the past! Why is this a bad thing? I own a ZLE and would be happy if GM added the LT5 and named it the Z28 simply to crush the GT500 if it can even beat the ZLE;) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Because GM and Ford have flipped the script on the single purpose Camaro and Mustang. Camaro no longer plays the little brother to the Corvette with restricted engines and lesser tech. The GT500 is no longer a straight line car. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The Z/28 needs to be forced induction ...or replace the SS 1LE in the NA V8 segment ...or be retired. |
They're going to need a new name when they drop the LT5 in the ZL1 1LE... and ZL2 1LE just doesn't sound right. Why not Z/28? Sticking to the heritage didn't help move the 5th gen Z/28s off dealer lots.
Don't get me wrong I'd love a high revving naturally aspirated engine in a track focused car called Z/28. I just don't see that formula happening any time soon. Plus I'd love to see Chevy fire back at the GT500 when those specs are released. Similar to the way Ford announced their GT500 numbers right after Chevy introduced the ZL1. |
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The main reason I don't see the LT5 going into the Camaro is I think it's the gran send off for the front engine vette.
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The manual Camaro LT1 still has the AFM valve train, even though it can’t use it. The ZL1 LT4 still has the 1.7 liter blower, even though it didn’t need the low hood profile. The Camaro won’t get the LT5. The big n/a V8 for the C7 Z06 was scrapped, never mind that it could have been used for the Camaro. |
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I do not understand what your argument is here. By nature the Camaro is heavier and has four seats. It’s not meant to “exceed” the two seat, smaller and lighter Corvette. They share the same engines and the A10 doesn’t count because it doesn’t fit in the lighter smaller Corvette?.....The Camaro hood is better suited for a larger blower? Did you just confirm my point of the LT5? Or are you saying that because they had the room same as the A10 GM should have added a larger blower? Or are you simply saying because GM doesn’t make a Camaro only motor? Financially it makes sense the cars would share the same engines and to continue to do so. The manual in the ZLE is also better than the one in the ZO6. Would that make two areas the Camaro is better? Camaro seats more people does that count?:) Furthermore the LT5 will fit and is already in use, why wouldn’t GM use a motor already in use to spread the costs of making said car/motor.....? The larger NA motor likely did not pass emissions. Like it or not right now FI is the present. Im happy with the direction the Camaro has gone as I traded my C7GS for the ZLE and no way I could have done that with the Gen5 Camaro had they continued to keep it back with lesser engines etc. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
His point is basically that Camaro still doesn't get the top things Corvette does.
LS6 never went into the Camaro LS9 never went into the Camaro LS7 only went into the Camaro when Corvette was not using it. LT5 most likely not going into Camaro. |
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I completely understand that but that is also my point that that IS THE PAST! Let’s not relive it and move forward. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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What else does GM have to offer right now? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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If the 7th generation Camaro turned out to be a front wheel drive econo box, people would say it’s not a Camaro. |
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Look what Ford does for the Mustang. Look what Dodge does for the Challenger and Charger. The only thing keeping GM from doing the same thing for the Camaro is the Corvette. We can’t get a 700+ hp Camaro because of the Corvette. We can’t get a 500+ n/a Camaro because of the Corvette. |
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He also said the SS would get a defined version of the LT1. |
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And I said the LT1 probably wouldn’t be rated the same as the Corvette. The LT1 in the Camaro actually made 458 horsepower, but they rated it 455. Now why would GM willingly rate the Camaro at a lower horsepower rating? Gee, what could it be? |
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Alpha SS 1LE is the greatest performance bargain of all time. The SS was a game changer in 2016. The gen6 Camaro sent Ford engineers back to the drawing board |
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What would the ZL1 have run with 700 horsepower? How about 750 horsepower? Imagine a ZL1 1LE running a 7:0X.XX on the Ring. But we won’t get that. |
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I think he’s just salty that the sixth gen is so damn good. I’m guessing he’s pissed that the C8 is mid engine and that the Camaro should have been first to ME. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The LT-1 in the Corvette is rated at 460, in the camaro its 455. yes its only 5 hp, and yes they probably both are 460, yet GM still rates it higher in the Corvette. Quote:
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With the addition of the new C8, I would expect to see the Camaro finally get its own new toys....but there is no way they are dropping an LT5 into the current ZL1. They wont name a blown motor Camaro a Z/28...because that Heritage means something to them.. More to the point, and the single biggest point, it would make far more sense for them to go all nutjob like the Demon and label it a C.O.P.O Camaro....and yes, this is both accurate and historical.. |
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Bottom line - Chevy gave Camaro everything it had. They emphasized performance to the detriment of sales (no half hearted V8 like the coming 2020 LT1 trim). No way you can say they held it back. No way. |
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