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FenwickHockey65 10-01-2020 10:21 AM

GM Q3 2020 Sales Down 9.9%; 665,192 Units Sold
 
GM Q3 Retail Share Climbs Despite Tight Inventory
General Motors

October 1, 2020
  • Strengthening retail sales driving industry recovery
  • All-new crossover and SUV deliveries continue to gain sales momentum
  • Large pickups showing strength with heavy-duty year-over-year growth

DETROIT — General Motors (NYSE: GM) announced today that it delivered 665,192 vehicles in the third quarter of 2020, a decrease in total vehicle sales of about 10 percent compared to a year ago. In a sign of a recovering industry, sales improved sequentially each month within the quarter. Industry and GM sales rebounded significantly in September, finishing the month with year-over-year sales increases. Total industry SAAR1 was an estimated 15.9 million vehicles for the quarter, up about 4 million units from the previous quarter.

“Our dealers are doing exceptionally well utilizing a combination of customer-facing online technologies – such as Shop. Click. Drive. – and showroom sales to deliver vehicles safely to our customers. This is contributing to retail share gains while we continue to refill the pipeline,” said Kurt McNeil, GM vice president, U.S. Sales Operations. “Industry-wide, dealers are selling a high mix of large pickups as the summer comes to an end. Our strong large pickup and all-new full-size SUV lineups from Chevrolet and GMC are selling extremely fast.”

GM SUVs, Trucks and Luxury Segments Drive Quarterly Sales Results

GM’s mid-size SUVs outperformed the industry, including the Chevrolet Blazer up 45 percent – its best quarter ever – and the Cadillac XT6, also up 45 percent compared to the third quarter of last year. Buick’s compact SUV, the Envision, was up 44 percent. In addition to Cadillac having a full lineup of crossovers available, the CT4 and CT5 sedans continue to grow share in crowded segments, with CT4’s average transaction price outperforming its segment average, according to J.D. Power.

The company’s all-new crossovers – the Chevrolet Trailblazer and Buick Encore GX – continue to gain momentum. Compared to the second quarter of this year, Trailblazer sales increased 54 percent and Encore GX sales increased 73 percent. The two vehicles captured a combined 11 percent of retail market share in the third quarter for the small SUV segment, according to J.D. Power.

Despite tight inventory, GM’s large pickup trucks sold well, especially heavy-duty pickups; the Chevrolet Silverado HD was up 9 percent and GMC Sierra HD was up 11 percent compared to a year ago. Total Sierra sales posted its best third quarter ever. Year to date, GM’s combined light- and heavy-duty pickups gained 1.6 percentage points in retail market share to capture 37.5 percent of the segment, according to J.D. Power.

GM remains focused on producing the right mix of vehicles to meet demand. Large pickup and full-size SUV plants are all operating on three shifts and at maximum overtime. Robust, multi-layered COVID-19 safety protocols have been implemented across all of GM’s facilities to help keep employees safe and restore production to pre-pandemic levels.

Third-Quarter Economic and Industry Update

“While the economy has made a substantial rebound in the third quarter, retail auto sales have been even more resilient,” said GM Chief Economist Elaine Buckberg. “Super low auto loan interest rates have boosted retail auto sales; yet more strength comes from pandemic-induced demand.”

Pandemic-induced auto demand drivers include:
  • Consumers see private vehicles as a safe space for both local and long-distance trips, as indicated by surveys from McKinsey & Company and Ipsos;
  • Some households that are confident in their finances are likely using savings from foregone vacations, entertainment and restaurant meals toward a new vehicle;
  • City residents have increased interest in owning a vehicle as some seek to move to the suburbs and others want to escape the city on weekends;
  • The sharp rebound in housing permits is a positive signal for overall auto demand; and
  • Higher home construction activity and strong demand for boats and RVs are particularly favorable for heavy-duty pickups.

Dealers also reported robust demand for large SUVs. Customers seeking these vehicles for family transportation or hauling capabilities have a lineup of all-new vehicles to choose from, including the 2021 Chevrolet Suburban and Tahoe, GMC Yukon and Yukon XL, and Cadillac Escalade, which began shipping to dealers this week.

GM Financial Driving Enhanced Customer Experience, Loyalty and Sales as it Celebrates 10 Years as GM’s Captive Finance Arm

GM’s growing captive finance company has become an integral and strategic business unit since it was acquired in 2010 and renamed GM Financial, supporting both customers and dealers across economic cycles. GM Financial generated nearly 2 million leads over the last 12 months, helping drive more than 400,000 vehicle sales, 73 percent of which were financed by GM Financial.
  • GM Financial’s penetration of total U.S. GM retail sales was 53 percent in the second quarter, driven by strong dealer engagement with the captive finance company.
  • Volume for GM Financial’s online credit application was up 27 percent year-over-year (first half of 2020 compared to the same period last year), with more customers shopping online in response to COVID-19.
  • For the fourth consecutive year, GM Financial was ranked first in finance captive loyalty, with loyalty rates among current lease and loan customers at 78 percent and 68 percent, respectively, based on CY 2019 IHS Markit Return to Market Manufacturer Loyalty data.

FenwickHockey65 10-01-2020 10:38 AM

Q3 2020 Sales


Toyota: Down 11%; 558,449 units sold
Ford Motor Company: Down 4.9%; 551,796 units sold
FCA: Down 10.4%; 507,351 units sold
Honda: Down 9.5%; 388,433 units sold
Hyundai-Kia: Up 0.9%; 339,586 units sold
Nissan: Down 30.1%; 246,007 units sold
VW Group: Down 9.6%; 150,612 units sold
BMW: Down 15.8%; 78,904 units sold
Tesla: Down 45%; 17,000 units sold (estimated)

rocket403 10-01-2020 02:26 PM

Challenger Sales Down 18% to 38350 3rd Q vs
Camaro Sales -31% to 22226 3rd Q
Ford No info yet

snizzle 10-01-2020 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rocket403 (Post 10877793)
Challenger Sales Down 18% to 38350 3rd Q vs
Camaro Sales -31% to 22226 3rd Q
Ford No info yet

Wow. Things aren't looking good for a 7th gen if GM is looking to the car buying public for reasons to keep the nameplate around. They gave us an emergency refresh of the front end. They gave us a cheaper V8 entry point.

I think at best we get an extension of the 6th gen until 2025 when we see VSS-R.

At worst, it's gone again.... or an EV, which is basically the same thing to me.

Avenging Orange 10-01-2020 04:37 PM

People give me crap because I say automakers need to advertise. You need to generate excitement about your brand. I give credit to Dodge...plenty of tire smoking commercials for their stuff. Nissan, Toyota, even Honda are making their brand look good. When was the last time you saw a commercial for the Corvette? Camaro?
And if you see a commercial, it's for an SUV. And deals on only select models.
Locally, Bill Estes Ford, 20% off ALL F150 & F250's.
If you want to sell them, you need to SELL them.

FenwickHockey65 10-01-2020 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Avenging Orange (Post 10877842)
When was the last time you saw a commercial for the Corvette?


I mean granted it was featured in an ad with other Chevrolet products but today.

Bhobbs 10-01-2020 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by snizzle (Post 10877837)
Wow. Things aren't looking good for a 7th gen if GM is looking to the car buying public for reasons to keep the nameplate around. They gave us an emergency refresh of the front end. They gave us a cheaper V8 entry point.

I think at best we get an extension of the 6th gen until 2025 when we see VSS-R.

At worst, it's gone again.... or an EV, which is basically the same thing to me.

GM does nothing to help the Camaro. The emergency refresh was basically to trade the black center section for body color.

No new models.
No performance increase.
No more power.

GM put in as little as possible and it shows.

snizzle 10-02-2020 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 10878026)
GM does nothing to help the Camaro. The emergency refresh was basically to trade the black center section for body color.

No new models.
No performance increase.
No more power.

GM put in as little as possible and it shows.

It was slightly more than that. They moved the bowtie to the grill which is what most folks thought was offensive on the front end from a styling standpoint.

The LT1 is a new model. It's a cheap entry point V8 below the 1SS. 3K-ish less.

For the most part though, I agree. The cherry and melon ball editions aren't going to do it. I'd love to see the Camaro shredding tires tugging heartstrings on TV.

xc_SS/RS 10-02-2020 08:16 AM

Last time I saw a real Camaro ad on TV was while rewatching the 2011 or 2012 Sebring 12 Hours recently. It’s a shame they don’t advertise for it more

Edit: it was for the 5th gen Convertible. No tire smoke, only driving along what looked to be the PCH. The Corvette Anniversary model that’s also advertised during the race is much more exciting doing laps around VIR.

PYROLYSIS 10-03-2020 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs (Post 10878026)
GM does nothing to help the Camaro. The emergency refresh was basically to trade the black center section for body color.

No new models.
No performance increase.
No more power.

GM put in as little as possible and it shows.

The death nail was the ugly 2019 refresh in my opinion. All the other stuff can be forgiven but an ugly car will not sell. No excuse for getting outsold by a car that it's generation started in 2008.

rocket403 10-07-2020 09:09 AM

With the Pandemic all 3 have lost sales

https://gmauthority.com/blog/2020/10...arter-q3-2020/

AZCamaroFan 10-08-2020 10:37 AM

to some extent i defend them not running Camaro ads, at least standalone ones. Ford doesn't really do it for the mustang.

however Chevrolet is now running tv ads with the Corvette, and that's one of the lower volume cars they have and doesn't really need advertising.

2013ZL1FUN 10-15-2020 03:28 PM

If GM could build cars of quality, that would be all the advertising they would need, word of mouth by existing happy clients. But no they can't do that. They build cars with hoods that pop open (Corvette), and generally don't hold up over time. My 5th generation will be the last GM I will buy. Too bad leadership and corporate greed has ruled the day for that company, management bonuses instead of taking care of business, and reaping rewards over time, for being a maker of quality, not just lifestyle fluff. Advertising exaggerated claims instead of quality built in.

ABM2SS 10-16-2020 07:26 AM

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generally don't hold up over time.
Really? 237,000 miles and counting with very few mechanical issues. The only bad design issue I had to deal with was the damn plastic bushing in the clutch slave cylinder.

2013ZL1FUN 10-16-2020 08:07 AM

Yeah, I had a 69 Camaro that I drove 248K, but that was then (from 1976 to 1987), this is now. Maybe the 5th Gen Camaros are the only good cars in GMs stable. But the 95 Cavalier that I unfortunately bought didn't last 6 years till Trans went out, rendering it too costly to repair relative to its worth.

FenwickHockey65 10-16-2020 09:04 AM

...You're comparing a 1995 Cavalier to GM products 25 years later?

2013ZL1FUN 10-16-2020 10:20 AM

I sure am.

95 imp 10-16-2020 10:58 AM

Ya- I have 250K on my 2005 3500 Silverado and have only really changed tires and batteries.

The original cluster was warrantied out, the blower motor connector, and I've had problems with 2 injector connectors are the only "repairs" I have had in the last 15+ years.

It still has the original brake pads....

camguynj 10-16-2020 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by ABM2SS (Post 10886008)
Really? 237,000 miles and counting with very few mechanical issues. The only bad design issue I had to deal with was the damn plastic bushing in the clutch slave cylinder.

Good for you ! What type of oil & filter do you use and how often do you change? Thanks

ps - yea that plastic bushing is really a piece of crap. BTW - I assume you have had to replace the clutch at least once?

2013ZL1FUN 10-16-2020 02:21 PM

Yeah, everybody has 250K on pickups, Fords, Dodges, etc. But it's been along time since GM cars go that far.

ABM2SS 10-16-2020 02:43 PM

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Good for you ! What type of oil & filter do you use and how often do you change?
Mobil1 5w30 and a A/C Delco Oil Filter. Change it when it shows around 10% Oil Life remaining. Only things I've changed on the engine were Spark Plugs (every 100,000 miles), Plug Wires, a Heater Hose and the Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor. Uses less that a half-quart of oil between changes.

FenwickHockey65 10-16-2020 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 2013ZL1FUN (Post 10886271)
Yeah, everybody has 250K on pickups, Fords, Dodges, etc. But it's been along time since GM cars go that far.


243k miles on my dad's Saturn SW2.

ABM2SS 10-16-2020 03:00 PM

I also owned a 1996 Cavalier Z24 that my brother-in-law had owned since 1998, between the two of us and the original owner ran-up 290,030 Miles before I sold it in 2016. probably still running.

camguynj 10-16-2020 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ABM2SS (Post 10886278)
Mobil1 5w30 and a A/C Delco Oil Filter. Change it when it shows around 10% Oil Life remaining. Only things I've changed on the engine were Spark Plugs (every 100,000 miles), Plug Wires, a Heater Hose and the Engine Coolant Temperature Sensor. Uses less that a half-quart of oil between changes.

And I thought I was the only one to change at 10% LOL Like they said in the old SNL skit ..."your car has been berry berry good" to you

90503 10-18-2020 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 2013ZL1FUN (Post 10886271)
Yeah, everybody has 250K on pickups, Fords, Dodges, etc. But it's been along time since GM cars go that far.

170K on my 2000 GMC Z71...so far, still very reliable. I can't justify paying 60-70K or whatever for something new that's basically the same.

95 imp 10-18-2020 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by 2013ZL1FUN (Post 10886271)
Yeah, everybody has 250K on pickups, Fords, Dodges, etc. But it's been along time since GM cars go that far.

Ya... except my 2002 F150 (which I bought new) had 2 trannys, 2 rear axles, then a blown rear end, bad heater core, and a BUTT load of brakes/rotors on the front in that same 250K. Go figure....

ssrs2lt 10-19-2020 07:20 AM

Wife built Cavaliers, sunfires , cobalts at lordstown. RIP Lordstown .. If that model was used at every GM plant it's no wonder the cars didn't hold up.. Yes we had a sweet cavalracer of the z24 type. The engine was actually good. But that was 20 yrs ago. Today's auto are a long ways away in quality.. I love my multiple 5 gen Camaro s badass and strong

LimaCharlie 10-26-2020 06:17 PM

It's funny how this thread turned into a car reliability thing. In most cases, the driver makes the car unreliable. Here are some things to remember:

- The gas pedal is not an ON/OFF switch...
- The brake pedal is not an ON/OFF switch...
- Curbs and rumble strips are not the same...
- Regular maintenance is important...
- Just because it's a truck, doesn't mean it can tow 20,000 lbs...
- Just because it's a truck, doesn't mean you can take it on some 'sweet jumps'...

If you remember these points, even a 1986 Yugo can last forever.

DC5 11-03-2020 08:28 AM

While I love the sixth-generation Camaro, GM's timing of downsizing the Camaro when the buying public is overwhelmingly purchasing crossovers, SUVs, and trucks, couldn't have been worse. The interior of the Camaro is too cramped and impractical for most prospective buyers.

ariZona28 11-03-2020 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DC5 (Post 10896778)
While I love the sixth-generation Camaro, GM's timing of downsizing the Camaro when the buying public is overwhelmingly purchasing crossovers, SUVs, and trucks, couldn't have been worse. The interior of the Camaro is too cramped and impractical for most prospective buyers.

This is an excellent point. A couple of my friends are "husky fellers" and both admitted that they liked the Camaros looks and performance they just were not comfortable in the interiors. One bought a '15 Challenger V6 new (POS!) and my other buddy purchased a very nice '06 Stang 'vert for some mild Mods. I'll always vote Camaro 1st but I'd say it's more of a "big" sports car rather than a sporty mid-size.

snizzle 11-03-2020 09:48 AM

You can't win with this one. If they make it bigger, folks scream it's a pig, too heavy/slow.

DC5 11-03-2020 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by snizzle (Post 10896836)
You can't win with this one. If they make it bigger, folks scream it's a pig, too heavy/slow.

People=automotive journalists (many of whom are snobs) and automotive enthusiasts such as you and me. While automotive journalists in particular bemoaned the size and weight of the fifth-generation Camaro, there's no denying that the average buyer found it to be a non-issue, as indicated by its sales performance.

I recently drove my Camaro for the first time in several months, and I found myself acknowledging the extremely impractical nature of this vehicle. I especially dislike how the driver side floorpan rises approximately 6" before the throttle, making it uncomfortable to rest your foot when using the cruise control feature.

snizzle 11-03-2020 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DC5 (Post 10896952)
I especially dislike how the driver side floorpan rises approximately 6" before the throttle, making it uncomfortable to rest your foot when using the cruise control feature.

You should never use cruise control. It should be full throttle, all the time, everywhere :smiling1:

DC5 11-03-2020 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by snizzle (Post 10896996)
You should never use cruise control. It should be full throttle, all the time, everywhere :smiling1:

Think driver error, not design flaw---got it! :smiling1:

Royal Tiger 11-11-2020 07:36 PM

We currently have 3 GM, 2 ford, 1 FCA, 1 Toyota, & 1 Nissan in the stable. I wouldn’t say the GM’s are badly built, but they clearly aren’t the best in terms of fit & finish, or interior quality. One has the garbage north star motor. So sad. My biggest issue is they have had by far the worst dealer experiences, and at multiple locations. I would easily rate them last in that category.

5thGenOwner 11-26-2020 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65 (Post 10877672)
Q3 2020 Sales


Toyota: Down 11%; 558,449 units sold
Ford Motor Company: Down 4.9%; 551,796 units sold
FCA: Down 10.4%; 507,351 units sold
Honda: Down 9.5%; 388,433 units sold
Hyundai-Kia: Up 0.9%; 339,586 units sold
Nissan: Down 30.1%; 246,007 units sold
VW Group: Down 9.6%; 150,612 units sold
BMW: Down 15.8%; 78,904 units sold
Tesla: Down 45%; 17,000 units sold (estimated)

Does anyone else think that is amazing? I know it's only 0.9%, but Hyundai-Kia are actually up, in the middle of a pandemic. I'm assuming that this is year-over-year, so either they just had a bad Q3 in 2019, or they have some kind of magic that no other car company has.

genxer 12-06-2020 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by snizzle (Post 10896836)
You can't win with this one. If they make it bigger, folks scream it's a pig, too heavy/slow.

You're mostly right. I know a bunch of husky guys. Some that like the smaller size don't mind respectively squeezing into a FRS, a fox Mustang, or an XJ Cherokee.

I went along with one on a SS 1LE test drive. It has a cumbersome width on back-roads, largely negating it's strength as a driver's car on fun stretches. At the same time, it has poorly utilized space potential.

Ones that like room usually have a full-size pickup, sometimes paired with an newer Impala. Most of these guys could've bought a Caddy sedan with the money they put in their trucks. And those with longer commutes keep a smaller car to drive daily. Compact fun populists' vehicles still have opportunity.


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