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06-24-2021 07:13 PM |
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Originally Posted by DaveC113
(Post 11030300)
If you're going to have street classes that don't allow mods the only thing that makes sense is to group them by times and not types.
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But that's literally what this proposed rule change is intended to do. The "track ponies" are not competitive with the best cars in BS. They just aren't. And the "regular ponies" (SS and GT) aren't competitive with the E90 M3 in FS, either. And as Mike wrote, those cars aren't showing up anymore. Moving the track ponies to FS makes a class where several cars are equally competitive, and leaves BS to the twice-as-expensive M2 Comp, new Supra, Evora (arguably), and C6 Z51 (if it gets moved also). It means you no longer need a decade-old, limited-production, as-expensive-as-new-1LE German car to win FS nationally.
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If you allow mods then types make sense. CAM-C is both popular and very competitive.
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Street (formerly Stock) classes never allowed mods. That's the whole point. And there are always plenty of cars that aren't competitive, because we can't have 100 different Street classes. Typically, cars that aren't competitive or that become obsolete go to Street Prepared, Street Touring, or now CAM. I don't see a problem with that.
However, right now I do see a problem where there is no truly competitive class for any version of any pony car. That is not a situation SCCA wants to continue, because they need a place for relatively affordable and fast cars to compete. There was a time not that long ago when F Stock was the biggest class at national events. I'm not saying we can or need to get back to that, but there needs to be a place where pony cars compete well.
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Originally Posted by joelster
Exactly. Make each step a little tougher. One car starts dominating in say CS, and next year it's bumped to BS. It will work itself out, and you'd have a fantastic mix of cars in every class instead of each class having that "ringer" car that has the advantage.
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That is literally how it is now and always has been. This current proposal is a move to bump some cars that aren't competitive in BS down to where they will be competitive. FS as a "type" is not quite about all speed capabilities and more about a class for slightly heavy, larger, RW, powerful cars. They do well on some course and not well on others, compared to something like ES and DS cars. So they don't exactly fit the "steps" you mention, but they are trying to keep cars of similar capabilities together. Pony cars have never fit very well in BS when you compare the rest of the cars in that class. They are much bigger and less sophisticated.
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