So much truth.

For some reason this iteration of "EV vs ICE" argument to me has some serious Vinyl vs. CD vibes.

One persons "warmth" is another persons noise etc etc....

Turns out none of that even mattered, everyone* streams music they don't even own now.

Own Nothing. Be Happy........./s



* Obviously not you Jim Bob, im talking about the youths not claiming SS yet.

Respectfully disagree. You can be on both sides, as long as there remains the choice.

Guessing you don’t own GM stock, lol.

It’s not condescending. Go back and read allllllll the other posts supporting the sound of a sweet exhaust. I’ve stated many, many times how I miss the exhaust of my SS sedan.

I’m merely pointing out that it’s the last hang up.

If typing vroom vroom is interpreted as condescending I’ll find some other way to convey exhaust noise.

I get the formula, but all of the OEMs from Asia seem to have kept their cars AND SUVs.

They didn’t have to balance 1/2 ton pickups and full size SUVs (until recently) so they could actually field CAFE compliant car portfolios. Even though Car and Truck fleets are measured separately, there is some sharing of credits across the two. The domestics had actually fallen into positions of using Truck fleet over performance to offset Car fleet under performance. So they gradually got rid of cars that don’t do well in the shadow area scheme (Cruze, Focus, Fiesta).

A germane example of how government intervention invariably 1) distorts the market by moving goalposts arbitrarily and 2) achieves the opposite of the stated goal, ie helping the environment—manufacturers moved towards big, polluting, gas guzzling SUVs and truck because those were exempt or less affected by regulation.

And now the move to EV's is simply moving the pollution to the generation plants. EV's do not represent independence from fossil fuels when we are still burning fossil fuels to generate the electricity.

And let's not even start down the path of much is "costs" our environment to produce the batteries in the first place...

Funny how this "shadow" business was never mentioned as a justification for ending sedans like the Cruz. It was going to be replaced with the Blazer SUV. It was always that sedans were out of favor and SUVs were all the public was "choosing" to buy. Guess there was more to it. Even early EVs designed as sedans was explained away as being in the works and built before sedans became unpopular....lol

My how stories change. This whole automotive world is complete croc with EVs leading they way.

Don't forget...: 2 + 2 = 5.

my anger hasn't gotten past the 2019 "stylists"

looks green to me

:word:

Don't forget the starving children in africa mining cobalt by hand.
So progressive and caring!