Agree with all of this except you don't understand the tires. You cannot compare the RunCraps to a MPSC2 or a G3. Throw the G3s on the SS and I bet it knocks off 2 seconds on Streets of Willow. While the MPSC2s absolutely give a hero lap, their 100th lap will be faster than the runcraps 1st lap, especially with the huge size difference...

The dreamers sell cars though clearly. Look at all the V6 and RT Challenger owners that drool over Hellcats, Redeyes, and Demons oh my!

Neither has he, it's ok

The GT500 lost that time because the tires, as I said so long ago once again and it's proven in the video these guys just posted.

I hate that so many even Camaro owners as you pointed out, don't understand that the regular SS is track ready. They think it's basically what the new LT1 is I guess.

You must have missed the part where they said heavier cars always drop off more and mentioned the GT500 is 1000lbs heavier than the Porsche. Which I've also pointed out numerous times that is why it fell off more on the same tires. Camissa even went on saying that the power wasn't falling off and they checked the data.

No wonder you know soo much.

Perfect example is that you can do nothing more than throw a blower and slap a tire on the SS and it'll handle that power effectively. Even better on the SLE. Do that on the GT and you'll snap an axle or driveshaft or spin out of control or have heat soak issues. It'll be sloppy with that power which is why they need to have several things upgraded at the same time.

WHich further goes to show how uninformed people who buy Mustangs are. They look at price and "460 HP" and know nothing more about the car. They then say "oh I can get a 460 HP GT for $27K but the SS is $40K-ish and it has less HP". For the posers they ca even step up to the PP1 and get 3.73 gears, a badge, a strut tower brace, rear Brembos, a cool gauge and they think they're riding high. ANd since they'll never race they won't ever realize how deficient that car is. The ones who do try to race...boy do they find out.
Well now the excuse is that driver error can account for over a full second. But only when the Mustang is behind. And only the Mustang drivers have the errors when it is same day same track. So basically even tho it is a second behind are still tied according to the trolls.
I could see after all GM put into the ZL1 and then Ford says "hey we're building a 760 HP GT500 for 2020 that can handle"...and GM says "sure, we're working on the mid engine C8 and the next Gen Camaro but good luck". LOL!!

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I really appreciate you and hotlaps insights.

Ain't that the truth.:respekt:

You have a lot of valuable insight as well. Gotts say, we got a bunch of good well informed people here. And 3 or 4 trolls but hey. Good to have you in the mix as well.

I can say the same for you two, too.

You misinterpret what I was trying to say. :)

I wasn’t suggesting a SS will run equal to a PP2 when disadvantaged by its MPSC2 tires. I was poking at the PP2 being a non-track car with MPSC2 tires and no cooling. The base SS, for $37k, on GY Asymmetric 3 tires is equipped to run consistently. It won’t go into limp mode and it’s tires won’t have just one good lap. It would win the race.

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Originally Posted by hotlap (Post 10729874) The SS can also burn a full tank of gas at 10/10 without overheating and it’s tires have more than one hero lap in them. (looking at you PP2)

I didn’t say the GT500’s power was falling off. I was pointing out that it is capable of one hero lap ...if it starts out on new tires. It then falls off significantly.

Recall the conclusion of the Throttle House GT500 vs ZL1 1LE where they site the 500’s worn tires? If only it had new tires...:lol: It’s only capable of one lap.

Did you see the part in the Behind the Scenes video where they said Pobst drove the GT3 RS with his foot on the floor and ran three consistent laps with no fade. Pobst hands barely moved while driving the Porsche.

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Originally Posted by hotlap (Post 10730049) The GT500 has one good lap on new tires and then dropped 0.8 sec on the second and 1.0 sec on the third. They run three consecutive laps. The 911 was consistent, 0.1, on it’s three. They also say the track favored power.

Thanks oldman. I really appreciate the depth of your knowledge and comments also. :happy0180:

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Would it be accurate to say that when the 13 GT500 arrived with its 662 HP, the Camaro team already knew what the 17 ZL1 would be?

When people say Chevy should have responded by increasing the power in the gen5 ZL1, I’ve always responded that they where already working on the 17 ZL1 with a 650 HP LT4. Plus, they were on the eve of the 14 Z/28, 14 C7 launch and the 15 Z06 was right behind them. ...not to mention Cadillac and the ground breaking 16 Aplha Camaro

I'd say 99% of us knew what you meant while 1 failed to comprehend.

Tires, weight, temps, any of the other 20 excuses, the GT500 fell on it's face after 1 lap. While some "genius" might wanna run around telling us what we already know, it is clear that the GT500 is mismatched and not properly engineered like the ZL1 was.

Not to the nth degree of detail. They would have known that a more complete Camaro on Alpha would be on its way and that it would be expected to outperform GT500. They more than likely would not have been able to tell you what the power output would be. Target? Yes. Actual? No.

As BlaqWhole and others have said before, GM typically sets a target, exceeds it, introduces the car, and leaves it alone, moving on to the next vehicle.

Ford is no threat to GM anymore. Not in performance. Not when a brand new $94K 760 HP GT500 that was 6 years in the making is getting tossed by $70K 650 ZL1 thats been around untouched for 3 years. The Mustang's competition is 370Zs and WRXs now.

Yeah. I felt that he was carrying on with the debate he had earlier with you. :lol: