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06-09-2023 08:28 AM |
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Originally Posted by GM-ACE
(Post 11323700)
Yeah, I'm not sure the government can be completely to blame here. After all, they didn't force GM into horrible business decisions(Lutz) that DID actually lead to a bankruptcy & begging for a bailout.
If anything, the trimming GM had to do, did lead to a leaner, better GM, IMO. Way too many cookie cutter models across the brands. And if memory serves, I believe they killed the F bodies in 2002 to get out of their agreement with Canada to produce the F bods only in Canada, at that outdated facility.:noidea:
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Bankruptcy was caused by a giant spike in gas prices which took a huge hit on FST sales. They lost $10 billion in cash flow as a result could no longer meet their obligations. Ford was in worse shape earlier and was able to funding before the economy tanked. When GM needed it there was no money to borrow. So bailout.
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Originally Posted by Wyzz Kydd
(Post 11323725)
I'm completely non-partisan. I dislike all politicians as a matter of principle. I feel pretty much the same about 99% of federal government employees, excepting military.
I still recall setting a speed record for a cost benefit analysis (rebuilding a destroyed water treatment plant) for the US Army Corps of Engineers, and being told privately that I should have slowed down and used all the billable hours.
The idea that a government entity knows more about GM's business than GM does and could help them efficiently trim down is ludicrous.
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When the “heavy handed government” was involved in day to day operations, they asked GM where they made money. GM execs embarrassingly admitted Corvette and Full Size Trucks”. “Then why aren’t you doing new ones”? “We didn’t think you would want that”. “What we want is for you to make money”, replied the government. At the time, GM had skinnier the FST to a new grille and the mid engine C7 was a simple reskin or C6.5 as we called it. The C7 was a result of “government innervention”
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Originally Posted by triggerjerk
(Post 11323809)
It is all BS.
No one wants an EV Camaro.
The Camaro is 1% of GM's sales yet its emissions/cafe are a big problem?
I am not buying its supposed detrimental impact. A six speed LT1 is very efficient in comparison to the trucks they pump out by the millions.
A warmed over 7th gen hybrid could hit the marks. Why do CT4/5s get two more years?
GM can't even build enough Camaros (again at 1% of sales) to meet demand.
How are they going to meet the demand for EVs that they claim is so much greater?
Recall that Queen Mary and Reuss ran to the whitehouse after Trump won to beg for an EV excecutive order mandate. He said no. Ask yourself why they did that.
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No one wants an EV Camaro? LOL No one wants an ICE Camaro.
But what I think you meant was YOU don’t want an EV Camaro. You have no data to support “no one”.
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Originally Posted by Red Chief
(Post 11323859)
It's low sales, not fuel economy stuff.
Car culture has been in decline since the 80s when home video game consoles went mainstream. Even as horsepower crept back up, sales continued to decline.
Cellphones and DUI laws dealt the finishing blow to cars as a social tool.
A unnecessarily fast car is more of a status symbol now. People just assume you have money to burn and a pickup as your main vehicle.
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If sales numbers were higher we would have had a NG car to get to the EV Camaro (like Mustang). They weren’t so we don’t.
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Originally Posted by TheEnthusiast
(Post 11323874)
True Answer: It's all the retarded liberals fault
Yeah, also to dramatically increase EV stock shares these crooks have bought with their illegal insider trading.
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Please don’t use the R word. Some find it offensive. Since you weren’t talking about ignition timing I’m sure you meant the insensitive term.
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Originally Posted by triggerjerk
(Post 11323967)
Then why did GM not advertise the car then?
Why did they only care about sales now and not refresh the car as planned for '20?
Are you saying the fake MBAs here are wrong about GM not expecting a profit on the car and never planned to sell that many?
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Discussed at length. The latest gen was designed for Camaro owners and a broader audience was never considered in the design. As legend goes, the only thing close to a customer clinic was with die hard Camaro owners. So it would be the equivalent of advertising the best left handed baseball glove to right handers.
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