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Old 08-10-2014, 11:31 AM   #51
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I'm wondering if that's a giant single muffler under the tail. I can't really tell where the outlets are coming from in these pics. If it is that might mean no more true duals.
Yeah, it looks like the late 80's exhaust setup, single pipe running to one muffler with an outlet on each end.
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Old 08-10-2014, 02:52 PM   #52
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I am worried that the camaro will stay ahead in styling and fall behind in weight/performance. I know its a big car but it can't compete with Mustang unless they drop weight. Just think how much lighter the stang would be if it had a SBC like the LS3. I can't remember exactly how much less the motors weight but an LS3 is way lighter. at least 30-50 lbs and its 6.2L vs 5.0. Just saying. We need weight loss. Lots of aluminum parts would help.
5.0 vs 6.2 is a wash..they weigh very close and put out similar numbers stock.
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Since its the Alpha platform, the 4-pot will be the engine from GM's european brands Vauxhall and Opel (its used in the Astra GTC VXR).



Plus, its the engine slated for the ATS Coupé.

400Nm of Torque and 276bhp will really hurry the new Camaro along. It only takes 5.7s to do the 60mph sprint in the Astra, and that car weighs 1.5 tones (Camaro LS V6 is 1.7t) Since the ATS 4-door is 1.5t, the Camaro should theoretically weigh less. I'm hoping 5.5s.

I hope, though, that they decide to go with the engine out of the Astra VXR Extreme, which is a 300bhp unit. To me, it makes the v6 redundant and it'd turn the LS and LT trims from "pretty cool sports car" to "surprisingly very fast sports car."

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This is getting more and more excited for 2016 to be released but I don't know if I should wait or just get a 2014-2015 for a good rate. Decisions decisions!
This is what I'm thinking, since I want to import a Camaro and I don't know if I should wait for a Gen 6 or grab a Gen 5 in a firesale. With all the extra fees associated with importing, I'd save a fortune.


And now my unrelated thoughts on something else entirely.

Of course, if the Gen 6 comes in RHD then its a no brainer for me in the UK.
Ford making the 2015 Mustang in right hand drive has pretty much guaranteed them easy money, as the UK is one of the most important markets for sports cars.

GM would do very well to follow suit as Camaros are insanely desireable in the UK. Mustangs depreciate (surprising for such a sought after exotic import), but Camaros two/three years later, even the Automatic, still sell for £30,000 with 5-digit milages - they're £35,000 new. That's 85%! Convertibles still rake in 75%. GM wouldn't be able to screw the RHD models together fast enough.
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Old 08-10-2014, 02:54 PM   #54
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Coyote weighs less than the LT1.. LT1 does pack more technology. I'd go with SBC all day long.
A pushrod does not pack more tech. Its one cam and 16v, the ford is definitely more tech 4v 4 cams getting 435 hp out of 5.0L.
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Old 08-10-2014, 03:15 PM   #55
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Hurts my head to try to figure anything out , But was wondering if any of you talented people have lined up the drawing discovered at the GM plant( the one with the photo that was in the background )with any dimensions of this car ?
This one? (just a quickie)



Parts of it line up pretty nicely (especially if we stick with the false 5th gen fascia and deck lid strapped on idea) while other parts of it are clearly off.

Still might be some styling hints in there...
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5.0 vs 6.2 is a wash..they weigh very close and put out similar numbers stock.
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Regardless of what it’s called, this new engine is one trick piece. With a bore of 3.629 inches and a stroke of 3.649, displacement is roughly 302 ci or 5.0 liters (nitpickers can do the math). Weighing in at a scant 444 pounds it churns out 435 hp/400 lb-ft of torque.
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A key to engine building is how many ponies you can pump out per pound, and that is exactly why Chevy went to such great length to minimize the engine’s weight. In fact, this 6.2-liter engine weighs just 465 lbs and is 25.3 inches tall, and develops 455 horsepower and 460 lb.-ft. of torque (460 horsepower and 465 pound-feet of torque with optional performance exhaust).
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Old 08-10-2014, 05:25 PM   #57
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A pushrod does not pack more tech. Its one cam and 16v, the ford is definitely more tech 4v 4 cams getting 435 hp out of 5.0L.
I think ChefBorOzzy was talking about the new tech in the LT1 such as Direct Injection, Active Fuel Management, etc.. that it has that the Coyote doesn't moreso than the Pushrod vs DOHC architecture.
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A pushrod does not pack more tech. Its one cam and 16v, the ford is definitely more tech 4v 4 cams getting 435 hp out of 5.0L.
Number of cams and valves has nothing to do with technology. Over head cam design is older than cam in block.
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A pushrod does not pack more tech. Its one cam and 16v, the ford is definitely more tech 4v 4 cams getting 435 hp out of 5.0L.
That's not tech. It's just more cost and weight. OHC is actually the older engine technology.

Just two ways to do the same job.
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That's not tech. It's just more cost and weight. OHC is actually the older engine technology.

Just two ways to do the same job.
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Since its the Alpha platform, the 4-pot will be the engine from GM's european brands Vauxhall and Opel (its used in the Astra GTC VXR).



Plus, its the engine slated for the ATS Coupé.

400Nm of Torque and 276bhp will really hurry the new Camaro along. It only takes 5.7s to do the 60mph sprint in the Astra, and that car weighs 1.5 tones (Camaro LS V6 is 1.7t) Since the ATS 4-door is 1.5t, the Camaro should theoretically weigh less. I'm hoping 5.5s.

I hope, though, that they decide to go with the engine out of the Astra VXR Extreme, which is a 300bhp unit. To me, it makes the v6 redundant and it'd turn the LS and LT trims from "pretty cool sports car" to "surprisingly very fast sports car."



This is what I'm thinking, since I want to import a Camaro and I don't know if I should wait for a Gen 6 or grab a Gen 5 in a firesale. With all the extra fees associated with importing, I'd save a fortune.


And now my unrelated thoughts on something else entirely.

Of course, if the Gen 6 comes in RHD then its a no brainer for me in the UK.
Ford making the 2015 Mustang in right hand drive has pretty much guaranteed them easy money, as the UK is one of the most important markets for sports cars.

GM would do very well to follow suit as Camaros are insanely desireable in the UK. Mustangs depreciate (surprising for such a sought after exotic import), but Camaros two/three years later, even the Automatic, still sell for £30,000 with 5-digit milages - they're £35,000 new. That's 85%! Convertibles still rake in 75%. GM wouldn't be able to screw the RHD models together fast enough.
um... the Astra is a FWD car on the delta platform (a small front engine FWD platform).

The Alpha platform is a small to medium sized front engine RWD platform, so it will not get a FWD 2.0T engine. Also the ATS launched with a 2.0T engine though no one knows what the output will look like for the turbo engine slated for the Camaro. Since the 2.0T Camaro will compete with the 3.7L V-6 Mustang which is rated at 300BHP I would find it safe to assume that it will have around that amount of power.
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um... the Astra is a FWD car on the delta platform (a small front engine FWD platform).

The Alpha platform is a small to medium sized front engine RWD platform, so it will not get a FWD 2.0T engine. Also the ATS launched with a 2.0T engine though no one knows what the output will look like for the turbo engine slated for the Camaro. Since the 2.0T Camaro will compete with the 3.7L V-6 Mustang which is rated at 300BHP I would find it safe to assume that it will have around that amount of power.
I'm aware the Astra is on a different platform (I really didn't convey that well) and FWD. I was talking specifically about the engine.

Both the engines slated for the ATS Coupé and the one already present in the Astra VXR are 270(and change)bhp units, with 295lb-ft and max HP at 5500rpm. I can't think of another engine in GM's catalogue that would fit outside of a new unit.

I'm just hoping that GM decide to use the 300bhp 2.0T unit from the VXR Extreme (if it is indeed the same unit), because they may (and probably will) just go the cheaper route and give us the same drive train from the ATS. Same platform in the same factory - it'd make sense.
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So the Mirrors are also different then in the original spy shots... I think they will pick as many parts from the 5th gen for now, as they possibly can.
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I have owned alot of DI cars and have not really been a fan from an all out performance standpoint. I also do not like active fuel management. To me the camaro should keep an LS3 and not get the LT motor. I just think there is so much out there for the LS and the Lt is too much of a PITA with all the extra crap I don't want. I had a mazdaspeed 3 with DI that I could never get enough fuel to for what I wanted to do. It was a cam driven fuel pump and a PITA
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I have owned alot of DI cars and have not really been a fan from an all out performance standpoint. I also do not like active fuel management. To me the camaro should keep an LS3 and not get the LT motor. I just think there is so much out there for the LS and the Lt is too much of a PITA with all the extra crap I don't want. I had a mazdaspeed 3 with DI that I could never get enough fuel to for what I wanted to do. It was a cam driven fuel pump and a PITA
The LTx is replacing the LSx. I agree that the Camaro LT1 should ditch the AFM since it has the Turbo 4 and V6 versions for fuel economy purposes.
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This one? (just a quickie)



Parts of it line up pretty nicely (especially if we stick with the false 5th gen fascia and deck lid strapped on idea) while other parts of it are clearly off.

Still might be some styling hints in there...
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So the Mirrors are also different then in the original spy shots... I think they will pick as many parts from the 5th gen for now, as they possibly can.
Look at the wiper configuration on your top picture. They look like they are minivan type of wipers, rather than your traditional wiper configuration.
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I'm aware the Astra is on a different platform (I really didn't convey that well) and FWD. I was talking specifically about the engine.

Both the engines slated for the ATS Coupé and the one already present in the Astra VXR are 270(and change)bhp units, with 295lb-ft and max HP at 5500rpm. I can't think of another engine in GM's catalogue that would fit outside of a new unit.

I'm just hoping that GM decide to use the 300bhp 2.0T unit from the VXR Extreme (if it is indeed the same unit), because they may (and probably will) just go the cheaper route and give us the same drive train from the ATS. Same platform in the same factory - it'd make sense.
The LTG engine at 272BHP and 260ft-lbs is in the 2013 and 2014 ATS and is scheduled to get the revisions that the current CTS already has (same engine 272/295ft-lbs). Actually the Buick Regal, CTS, and Malibu already produce 295ft-lbs of torque with this engine the ATS was just a hold out until they new front end and coupe came out.
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I am expecting to see that the C6 will look very much like a toned down version of the silver model shown in those pictures.
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This one? (just a quickie)



Parts of it line up pretty nicely (especially if we stick with the false 5th gen fascia and deck lid strapped on idea) while other parts of it are clearly off.

Still might be some styling hints in there...
I do believe that this is an early sketch of the C7 Corvette, based on design cues that it shares with the production Corvette and the mid year Corvette also in the shot.
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What a major let down..Who was the guy at Gm that said the 16ym would look NOTHING like a 5th gen? I could have traded this year but nooooo I was hoping for something different.Like maybe a 2nd gen retro version. I feel like I've been lied to.
You can change the taillights and the front fascia but its still a 5th gen..come to think of it didn't they do that for the 2014 models?
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What a major let down..Who was the guy at Gm that said the 16ym would look NOTHING like a 5th gen? I could have traded this year but nooooo I was hoping for something different.Like maybe a 2nd gen retro version. I feel like I've been lied to.
You can change the taillights and the front fascia but its still a 5th gen..come to think of it didn't they do that for the 2014 models?
Ummm, I don't know WHO you heard anything from, but the only thing that I'VE ever seen on these boards is that the G6 will be "Evolutionary, not revolutionary" and that it would be a variation of the G5 - it would be based on our current cars but not the SAME as our current cars
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