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Old 07-27-2014, 11:19 AM   #18
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Was your post something like..."more speculation based on speculation"?
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Old 07-27-2014, 12:34 PM   #19
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I've done a little simple math based on these numbers, that wheel base is basically the same as the ATS Coupe.

The curb weight on the ATS coupe is 3461 Lbs in the RWD 3.6L V6 configuration.

This is the same V6 as the 5th gen Camaro and should way pretty much the same at about 345 lbs. The LS3 weighs about 460 lbs when it was in the Vette, it's the same motor so it should be very close.

Using these figures a v8 powered RWD ATS would weigh about 3538 lbs.

So, assuming the 6th gen Camaro will be on this 109" wheelbase it should be pretty close to the curb of the 2015 ATS plus weight of the V8.

Take that for what it is, but i'm expecting to see a 3500-3600 lbs Camaro.

I was able to find some specs on the LT1 weight wise and it looks to be only about 5 lbs heavier than a LS3, so my LS3 number should be pretty much correct.
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Old 07-27-2014, 03:53 PM   #20
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I've done a little simple math based on these numbers, that wheel base is basically the same as the ATS Coupe.

The curb weight on the ATS coupe is 3461 Lbs in the RWD 3.6L V6 configuration.

This is the same V6 as the 5th gen Camaro and should way pretty much the same at about 345 lbs. The LS3 weighs about 460 lbs when it was in the Vette, it's the same motor so it should be very close.

Using these figures a v8 powered RWD ATS would weigh about 3538 lbs.

So, assuming the 6th gen Camaro will be on this 109" wheelbase it should be pretty close to the curb of the 2015 ATS plus weight of the V8.

Take that for what it is, but i'm expecting to see a 3500-3600 lbs Camaro.

I was able to find some specs on the LT1 weight wise and it looks to be only about 5 lbs heavier than a LS3, so my LS3 number should be pretty much correct.
Except your missing a lot more than just the extra weight of the engine. Your missing drivetrain, suspension, brakes, and the like. If the weight of the V6 is around 3,500 lbs, expect the V8 to be 3,650+

I'm expecting something around 3,700 lbs, or close to the base Mustang GT. If it is less than 3,700 it will be icing on the cake.
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Old 07-27-2014, 05:24 PM   #21
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Woah, pretty cool this made home page. This are VERY rough estimates and primarily based off an assumed wheelbase, which I know isn't 100% accurate.

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Except even your base measurements are off of a fake front end and a decklid that is overhanging the rear bumper fascia by at least 4 inches if not more.

Nice try, but this is a much smaller car than what you are showing. Now the dimension may be close, but your tip to tail is off of parts that won't be going to production.

Even the most aggressive vehicles have some type of bumper on the back. The decklid is simply overhanging that bumper, even in this photo it's pretty clear.
I 100% agree with you, it is obvious GM is trying to camo this thing as much as possible and there is no doubt a lot of padding on this thing. I primarily did this exercise to see what kind of length this mule was (even with the padding). If these measurements are even somewhat accurate of this test mule then the 6th gen is going to be seriously smaller than the 5th gen. Even with all of the padding it is smaller.

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I think taking stabs at the 6th gen's length is fun, but really there is no way to make an accurate guess at the overall length based off of the above shot.

I'd say those rims are either 19" or 20", so based on that you could try and get some sort of guess at wheelbase, but not much more.
Agreed. The proper way to do this size estimate would be based off of an assumed wheel size. It's possible these are 20" rims, but they look 19" to me. Based off of that size, further estimates can be made of the entire car. Unfortunately I've been way too busy to crunch those numbers.
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Old 07-27-2014, 08:48 PM   #22
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Except your missing a lot more than just the extra weight of the engine. Your missing drivetrain, suspension, brakes, and the like. If the weight of the V6 is around 3,500 lbs, expect the V8 to be 3,650+

I'm expecting something around 3,700 lbs, or close to the base Mustang GT. If it is less than 3,700 it will be icing on the cake.
I can't really imagine suspension would be all that different. Brakes I could see making some differences though, bigger rotors and calipers and such.

You're 3700 lbs number may be pretty close too, in which case i'm not sure it's going to be a huge difference. I'm kinda hoping for a bigger difference, but I dunno.

I'm really trying to formulate whether I want to keep my 2010 or if they weight and performance will be a big enough difference to justify the new car, i'm guessing not, since I already make more HP than a LT1 anyway, toss in a cam and heads and i'm way past it.
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Old 07-27-2014, 09:53 PM   #23
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I can't really imagine suspension would be all that different. Brakes I could see making some differences though, bigger rotors and calipers and such.

You're 3700 lbs number may be pretty close too, in which case i'm not sure it's going to be a huge difference. I'm kinda hoping for a bigger difference, but I dunno.

I'm really trying to formulate whether I want to keep my 2010 or if they weight and performance will be a big enough difference to justify the new car, i'm guessing not, since I already make more HP than a LT1 anyway, toss in a cam and heads and i'm way past it.
What is the weight difference between a current 1LT and a current 1SS?

Extrapolate from there...
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Old 07-28-2014, 01:38 AM   #24
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I can't really imagine suspension would be all that different. Brakes I could see making some differences though, bigger rotors and calipers and such.

You're 3700 lbs number may be pretty close too, in which case i'm not sure it's going to be a huge difference. I'm kinda hoping for a bigger difference, but I dunno.

I'm really trying to formulate whether I want to keep my 2010 or if they weight and performance will be a big enough difference to justify the new car, i'm guessing not, since I already make more HP than a LT1 anyway, toss in a cam and heads and i'm way past it.
When ever you are talking about an old car vs a new car that old car typically always has the edge....

If I were looking at buying a Camaro next year I would look at buying a 2016 SS Camaro (probably starting at around $33,000) or a used 2010 Camaro SS. Looking in my area used 2010 SS coupes currently range from $22,000 to $28,000 bucks. Give it another year and I could probably snatch a 2010 SS coupe for around $20,000 even (or a bit more). I can then throw lets say $13,000 into the car and it is hard to end up with something that isn't much faster for $13,000.

Now typically people finance cars so they probably couldn't right off the bat dump $13,000 cash into the car. Still some tuners advertise head and cam packages for $5,000 with a warranty that gets you over 500BHP from the LS3.....
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Old 07-28-2014, 11:49 AM   #25
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When ever you are talking about an old car vs a new car that old car typically always has the edge....

If I were looking at buying a Camaro next year I would look at buying a 2016 SS Camaro (probably starting at around $33,000) or a used 2010 Camaro SS. Looking in my area used 2010 SS coupes currently range from $22,000 to $28,000 bucks. Give it another year and I could probably snatch a 2010 SS coupe for around $20,000 even (or a bit more). I can then throw lets say $13,000 into the car and it is hard to end up with something that isn't much faster for $13,000.

Now typically people finance cars so they probably couldn't right off the bat dump $13,000 cash into the car. Still some tuners advertise head and cam packages for $5,000 with a warranty that gets you over 500BHP from the LS3.....
Yeah, I bought my 2010 used last October for 25k, so it's going to be hard to justify trading it on something that is going to cost me nearly 40k and it not be any better.

Plus I already have at least a couple grand in parts on my car that won't go on a 2016.
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Old 07-28-2014, 02:19 PM   #26
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Yeah, I bought my 2010 used last October for 25k, so it's going to be hard to justify trading it on something that is going to cost me nearly 40k and it not be any better.

Plus I already have at least a couple grand in parts on my car that won't go on a 2016.
"Better" is a vague word to use though. I highly doubt a stock LT1 6th gen will be faster than your modded 2010. (especially if you are running heads/cam) so if speed is your only concern, then sure it may not be better.

But the 6th gen will or "should" be lighter, handle better, have a nice upgraded modern interior, and (the kicker) hopefully will still look awesome like the 5th gen does (just different).

Throw the very potent LT1 engine into the mix, and that should make for a hell of a ride.
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"Better" is a vague word to use though. I highly doubt a stock LT1 6th gen will be faster than your modded 2010. (especially if you are running heads/cam) so if speed is your only concern, then sure it may not be better.

But the 6th gen will or "should" be lighter, handle better, have a nice upgraded modern interior, and (the kicker) hopefully will still look awesome like the 5th gen does (just different).

Throw the very potent LT1 engine into the mix, and that should make for a hell of a ride.
That's a good summary.

Whether it makes sense to buy a 6th gen Camaro depends upon the buyer's particular priorities and circumstances. Personally, if I had just bought a new (or 'new' used) Camaro in the last year or two and had invested a lot of money in it and were happy with it, I doubt that I'd be seriously interested in the 6th gen beyond a general curiosity about what GM was doing with the franchise. Buying? Not likely. I'd probably be looking ahead to whatever was new and exciting in 2018 or so (Buick Grand National?). Or if I were very patient (and optimistic), the 7th gen Camaro in 2022.
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Hmmm. 187". Third gen length.
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I'm really hoping they come out with a 1LE version the first year, if not i'd probably wait until they did.
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What is the weight difference between a current 1LT and a current 1SS?

Extrapolate from there...
200 lbs.
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I'm really hoping they come out with a 1LE version the first year, if not i'd probably wait until they did.
Considering that you have a Camaro currently you are probably better off waiting until at least they have something that you really want to move you into one. Though the Alpha platform is probably going to be a better all around platform to work with for mods and with the LT1 engine and the development work already done by the tuners for the C7 means there will be lots of options and data for those options. Looking at LPE site they have a N/A 630BHP package for the 6.2L LT1 engine so I would say that would make many people happy.
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Heard from someone who went to BBOMG in Oshawa that the spy photo is a test mule of the 6th gen drive train and that is a 5th gen body over the drive train and camo'd up for the sake of the "paparazzi's."
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Heard from someone who went to BBOMG in Oshawa that the spy photo is a test mule of the 6th gen drive train and that is a 5th gen body over the drive train and camo'd up for the sake of the "paparazzi's."
So, 5th gen body (or parts of a 5th gen body) on a 6th gen chasis and drivetrain.

I can believe that.
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So, 5th gen body (or parts of a 5th gen body) on a 6th gen chasis and drivetrain.

I can believe that.
yup...me too. I actually hope that is in fact the case, 5th gen body on 6th gen chassis, as opposed to being they are so far behind in design stages and needed to put a complete 5th gen with a bunch of camo on it, out to get "spy shots" due to all the hype generated by Mustang and Hellcat.
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