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Old 07-18-2014, 08:20 AM   #1
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Lightbulb Early Speculative 2016 Camaro Size / Length Measurements

Based off first prototype spy photos.

Well I had a little free time last night.. This was very crude until I actually have some time. But I was using Car & Drivers "estimated" wheel base length that they calculated based off of the Impala that was next to it.

Wheelbase: 109.32" vs 112.3" of the 5th gen.
Overall length: 186.88" vs 190.4" of the 5th gen.
Length of door: 54.97" vs 56.5" of the 5th gen.

When I have a little more time I'll redo the measurements using the wheels as a scale. Assuming they are 20's.


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Well I had a little free time last night.. This was very crude until I actually have some time. But I was using Car & Drivers "estimated" wheel base length that they calculated based off of the Impala that was next to it.

Wheelbase: 109.32" vs 112.3" of the 5th gen.
Overall length: 186.88" vs 190.4" of the 5th gen.
Length of door: 54.97" vs 56.5" of the 5th gen.

When I have a little more time I'll redo the measurements using the wheels as a scale. Assuming they are 20's.

Nice. So it lost 3+ inches. Still can't pass a bucket of chicken through that side window, but that's okay.

Here's your 2010.

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Nice. So it lost 3+ inches.

Here's your 2010.

The 2014 Mustang is around 188.5" long, so this would put it slightly shorter.

Also that sketch shows the wheelbase as 119" when it's actually 112.3" or maybe I'm reading it wrong..
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The 2014 Mustang is around 188.5" long, so this would put it slightly shorter.

Also that sketch shows the wheelbase as 119" when it's actually 112.3" or maybe I'm reading it wrong..
119 does seem way off. Hmmm.
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The 2014 Mustang is around 188.5" long, so this would put it slightly shorter.

Also that sketch shows the wheelbase as 119" when it's actually 112.3" or maybe I'm reading it wrong..
Somebody doctored the numbers. 119 is wrong. The 112 number is right. Mustang is 107.1 if I remember correctly. ATS Coupe is 109. I am thinking the new 2016 is about 109.
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Nice. So it lost 3+ inches. Still can't pass a bucket of chicken through that side window, but that's okay.

Here's your 2010.

186" Overall length is the same as a 1969 Camaro.
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Old 07-25-2014, 04:38 PM   #7
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For some reason I can't import the sketch but this is worth looking at too:

http://bit.ly/1npV70e
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For some reason I can't import the sketch but this is worth looking at too:

http://bit.ly/1npV70e
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Except even your base measurements are off of a fake front end and a decklid that is overhanging the rear bumper fascia by at least 4 inches if not more.

Nice try, but this is a much smaller car than what you are showing. Now the dimension may be close, but your tip to tail is off of parts that won't be going to production.

Even the most aggressive vehicles have some type of bumper on the back. The decklid is simply overhanging that bumper, even in this photo it's pretty clear.
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Old 07-25-2014, 07:19 PM   #10
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2015 ATS Coupe Specs:

O.L. = 183.6" (+.8" over sedan)

Base Curb Weight = 3411 lb (2.0-T with 6-speed Automatic)

Weight Distribution (above driveline) = 51/49%

IF the Camaro comes in close to these dimensions (personally, I'll bet on an inch or 2 longer nose than ATS Coupe, or 185" or so), with a tad fewer Standard Features than the Cad, we should see a 4-T Camaro @ or under the same-engine 4-T Mustang in weight. With better W.D. than Mustang's 53/47% (iirc).
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I am wondering if this Camaro isn't as long as it looks, maybe they added extra padding in the back to hide rear detail and it makes it look longer then it really is....

I actually think that the ATS coupe might be a great platform to work off of in building the 6th generation Camaro. Maybe add an extra inch to its length (and 2 to the wheel base).
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I am wondering if this Camaro isn't as long as it looks, maybe they added extra padding in the back to hide rear detail and it makes it look longer then it really is....

I actually think that the ATS coupe might be a great platform to work off of in building the 6th generation Camaro. Maybe add an extra inch to its length (and 2 to the wheel base).
There is a big chunk of padded camo on the back of that car so we can't tell for sure how long it really it. It's smaller than the pictures show.
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I think taking stabs at the 6th gen's length is fun, but really there is no way to make an accurate guess at the overall length based off of the above shot.

I'd say those rims are either 19" or 20", so based on that you could try and get some sort of guess at wheelbase, but not much more.
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Those wheela look like like 18-19 to me.
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Really, my post got yanked?!
Was your post something like..."more speculation based on speculation"?
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I've done a little simple math based on these numbers, that wheel base is basically the same as the ATS Coupe.

The curb weight on the ATS coupe is 3461 Lbs in the RWD 3.6L V6 configuration.

This is the same V6 as the 5th gen Camaro and should way pretty much the same at about 345 lbs. The LS3 weighs about 460 lbs when it was in the Vette, it's the same motor so it should be very close.

Using these figures a v8 powered RWD ATS would weigh about 3538 lbs.

So, assuming the 6th gen Camaro will be on this 109" wheelbase it should be pretty close to the curb of the 2015 ATS plus weight of the V8.

Take that for what it is, but i'm expecting to see a 3500-3600 lbs Camaro.

I was able to find some specs on the LT1 weight wise and it looks to be only about 5 lbs heavier than a LS3, so my LS3 number should be pretty much correct.
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I've done a little simple math based on these numbers, that wheel base is basically the same as the ATS Coupe.

The curb weight on the ATS coupe is 3461 Lbs in the RWD 3.6L V6 configuration.

This is the same V6 as the 5th gen Camaro and should way pretty much the same at about 345 lbs. The LS3 weighs about 460 lbs when it was in the Vette, it's the same motor so it should be very close.

Using these figures a v8 powered RWD ATS would weigh about 3538 lbs.

So, assuming the 6th gen Camaro will be on this 109" wheelbase it should be pretty close to the curb of the 2015 ATS plus weight of the V8.

Take that for what it is, but i'm expecting to see a 3500-3600 lbs Camaro.

I was able to find some specs on the LT1 weight wise and it looks to be only about 5 lbs heavier than a LS3, so my LS3 number should be pretty much correct.
Except your missing a lot more than just the extra weight of the engine. Your missing drivetrain, suspension, brakes, and the like. If the weight of the V6 is around 3,500 lbs, expect the V8 to be 3,650+

I'm expecting something around 3,700 lbs, or close to the base Mustang GT. If it is less than 3,700 it will be icing on the cake.
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Woah, pretty cool this made home page. This are VERY rough estimates and primarily based off an assumed wheelbase, which I know isn't 100% accurate.

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Except even your base measurements are off of a fake front end and a decklid that is overhanging the rear bumper fascia by at least 4 inches if not more.

Nice try, but this is a much smaller car than what you are showing. Now the dimension may be close, but your tip to tail is off of parts that won't be going to production.

Even the most aggressive vehicles have some type of bumper on the back. The decklid is simply overhanging that bumper, even in this photo it's pretty clear.
I 100% agree with you, it is obvious GM is trying to camo this thing as much as possible and there is no doubt a lot of padding on this thing. I primarily did this exercise to see what kind of length this mule was (even with the padding). If these measurements are even somewhat accurate of this test mule then the 6th gen is going to be seriously smaller than the 5th gen. Even with all of the padding it is smaller.

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I think taking stabs at the 6th gen's length is fun, but really there is no way to make an accurate guess at the overall length based off of the above shot.

I'd say those rims are either 19" or 20", so based on that you could try and get some sort of guess at wheelbase, but not much more.
Agreed. The proper way to do this size estimate would be based off of an assumed wheel size. It's possible these are 20" rims, but they look 19" to me. Based off of that size, further estimates can be made of the entire car. Unfortunately I've been way too busy to crunch those numbers.
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Except your missing a lot more than just the extra weight of the engine. Your missing drivetrain, suspension, brakes, and the like. If the weight of the V6 is around 3,500 lbs, expect the V8 to be 3,650+

I'm expecting something around 3,700 lbs, or close to the base Mustang GT. If it is less than 3,700 it will be icing on the cake.
I can't really imagine suspension would be all that different. Brakes I could see making some differences though, bigger rotors and calipers and such.

You're 3700 lbs number may be pretty close too, in which case i'm not sure it's going to be a huge difference. I'm kinda hoping for a bigger difference, but I dunno.

I'm really trying to formulate whether I want to keep my 2010 or if they weight and performance will be a big enough difference to justify the new car, i'm guessing not, since I already make more HP than a LT1 anyway, toss in a cam and heads and i'm way past it.
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I can't really imagine suspension would be all that different. Brakes I could see making some differences though, bigger rotors and calipers and such.

You're 3700 lbs number may be pretty close too, in which case i'm not sure it's going to be a huge difference. I'm kinda hoping for a bigger difference, but I dunno.

I'm really trying to formulate whether I want to keep my 2010 or if they weight and performance will be a big enough difference to justify the new car, i'm guessing not, since I already make more HP than a LT1 anyway, toss in a cam and heads and i'm way past it.
What is the weight difference between a current 1LT and a current 1SS?

Extrapolate from there...
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I can't really imagine suspension would be all that different. Brakes I could see making some differences though, bigger rotors and calipers and such.

You're 3700 lbs number may be pretty close too, in which case i'm not sure it's going to be a huge difference. I'm kinda hoping for a bigger difference, but I dunno.

I'm really trying to formulate whether I want to keep my 2010 or if they weight and performance will be a big enough difference to justify the new car, i'm guessing not, since I already make more HP than a LT1 anyway, toss in a cam and heads and i'm way past it.
When ever you are talking about an old car vs a new car that old car typically always has the edge....

If I were looking at buying a Camaro next year I would look at buying a 2016 SS Camaro (probably starting at around $33,000) or a used 2010 Camaro SS. Looking in my area used 2010 SS coupes currently range from $22,000 to $28,000 bucks. Give it another year and I could probably snatch a 2010 SS coupe for around $20,000 even (or a bit more). I can then throw lets say $13,000 into the car and it is hard to end up with something that isn't much faster for $13,000.

Now typically people finance cars so they probably couldn't right off the bat dump $13,000 cash into the car. Still some tuners advertise head and cam packages for $5,000 with a warranty that gets you over 500BHP from the LS3.....
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When ever you are talking about an old car vs a new car that old car typically always has the edge....

If I were looking at buying a Camaro next year I would look at buying a 2016 SS Camaro (probably starting at around $33,000) or a used 2010 Camaro SS. Looking in my area used 2010 SS coupes currently range from $22,000 to $28,000 bucks. Give it another year and I could probably snatch a 2010 SS coupe for around $20,000 even (or a bit more). I can then throw lets say $13,000 into the car and it is hard to end up with something that isn't much faster for $13,000.

Now typically people finance cars so they probably couldn't right off the bat dump $13,000 cash into the car. Still some tuners advertise head and cam packages for $5,000 with a warranty that gets you over 500BHP from the LS3.....
Yeah, I bought my 2010 used last October for 25k, so it's going to be hard to justify trading it on something that is going to cost me nearly 40k and it not be any better.

Plus I already have at least a couple grand in parts on my car that won't go on a 2016.
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