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Old 07-16-2014, 11:04 PM   #26
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Carbon fiber trunk and hood panels would increase their performance and credibility at entry level pricing (24k). We've always had the power, it's what we do with everything else that matters.
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Old 07-16-2014, 11:22 PM   #27
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I have little faith that GM will answer the call of the Hellcat and 14 GT500 with comparable HP numbers, they cannot put more HP in a Camaro than the Z06 so they are at a serious disadvantage. They can take weight off the Gen 6 and make another Z28 but they won't have bragging rights or a competitive Quarter mile car without big HP gains over the current ZL1.
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Old 07-17-2014, 12:33 AM   #28
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The Hellcat, and the GT500 are both going to be great but in all reality they are not really that relevant. Sure you win bragging rights with cars like these but they are very limited in production and precious few will ever own one. Same goes for the ZL1 and Z28. The majority of Camaro owners will be buying the SS and the v6 models. How those stack up against the Mustang and Challenger compareable models will be more relevant to sales and success of the Camaro.
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Old 07-17-2014, 05:27 AM   #29
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Because the Z whooped it . Think it was near my 2004 chevy van in track times 10 minutes or so give or take a minute
Bhahahahaha!!!!!!!!!
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Old 07-17-2014, 06:14 AM   #30
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Because the Z whooped it . Think it was near my 2004 chevy van in track times 10 minutes or so give or take a minute
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Bhahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

Wake up and smell the coffee. The GT500, in particular the '13-'14 models, do quite well at the track.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/30/s...urgring-video/


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Ford has been raising the hp levels on the GT, and it doesn't take much to make them smoking fast at the drag strip.
Dodge is now offering the 392 in the RT line, and with 485 HP to boot.
As far as halo cars like the GT500 and Hellcat, Chevy is pretty far behind the curve.

The 5th Gen is no lightweight, just barely lighter than a Challenger, and it's going to be interesting to see if they can lose substantial weight for the 6th Gen.
With the current EPA and safety regulations it's something that's proven difficult to do, just look at the new Mustang's weight gain.

The LS3 is a very capable engine, but if Chevy wants to play the musclecar game it needs to up the ante.
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Old 07-17-2014, 06:50 AM   #31
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It's just the cycle working. Dodge will be on top for a very short time. Then the cycle will start over.
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Old 07-17-2014, 07:52 AM   #32
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I have little faith that GM will answer the call of the Hellcat and 14 GT500 with comparable HP numbers, they cannot put more HP in a Camaro than the Z06 so they are at a serious disadvantage. They can take weight off the Gen 6 and make another Z28 but they won't have bragging rights or a competitive Quarter mile car without big HP gains over the current ZL1.
Last I checked, in 2012, Chevy made a Camaro called the ZL1 with 580hp. At the time, how much HP did the z06 have? 505.
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Old 07-17-2014, 08:19 AM   #33
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Wake up and smell the coffee. The GT500, in particular the '13-'14 models, do quite well at the track.

http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/30/s...urgring-video/


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Ford has been raising the hp levels on the GT, and it doesn't take much to make them smoking fast at the drag strip.
Dodge is now offering the 392 in the RT line, and with 485 HP to boot.
As far as halo cars like the GT500 and Hellcat, Chevy is pretty far behind the curve.

The 5th Gen is no lightweight, just barely lighter than a Challenger, and it's going to be interesting to see if they can lose substantial weight for the 6th Gen.
With the current EPA and safety regulations it's something that's proven difficult to do, just look at the new Mustang's weight gain.

The LS3 is a very capable engine, but if Chevy wants to play the musclecar game it needs to up the ante.
GM/Chevrolet doesn't need to chase horse power.. For what purpose??.. We have the best track car out of all them with the Z28... The GT500 is barely faster than the ZL1 in a straight line and that's with almost an extra 100 HP!!!.. But the ZL1 will murder the GT500 on the track... 1LE handled their Boss.. And as far as V6's the Camaro is the clearly a better choice.. Camaro's only competition is it's self... Chevy isn't playing the Muscle car game.. They are playing the best around sports car game...
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Old 07-17-2014, 09:46 AM   #34
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I'm much more interested in Handling, and styling and weight than trying to match HP. I mean, isn't it easier to add HP mods / tunes than to try to make a car handle better? I really don't know that answer to this. Don't get me wrong, i think Gen 6 ZL1 should have minimum of 625 HP, that would make me want it pretty bad.

The Z06, have they made it official at 650? I mean it still isn't released, so maybe it comes in at 675 all said and done???

I see folks on this forum with 700+ HP Camaro, so.... I don't know what it cost to get them there...but they did it, so i'll take the better looking, better handling, better technology car, then worry about adding HP later.
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Old 07-17-2014, 10:11 AM   #35
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Last I checked, in 2012, Chevy made a Camaro called the ZL1 with 580hp. At the time, how much HP did the z06 have? 505.
That's a completely different situation because the Z06 was naturally aspirated. The more relevant question is how much did the ZR1 make?
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Old 07-17-2014, 10:34 AM   #36
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That's a completely different situation because the Z06 was naturally aspirated. The more relevant question is how much did the ZR1 make?
well, I didn't make that situation, I was just pointing out the flaw that the Camaro can't/wont have more power than the z06.
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Old 07-17-2014, 12:18 PM   #37
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well, I didn't make that situation, I was just pointing out the flaw that the Camaro can't/wont have more power than the z06.
I never said the Camaro won't make more power than the Z06, I said the Camaro won't make more power than the comparable Corvette level. SS didn't make more than the base, Z/28 didn't make more than the Z06 and ZL1 didn't make more than the ZR1. With the Z06 likely being the top Corvette this generation, the ZL1 will like have 600-615 horsepower.
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Old 07-17-2014, 12:54 PM   #38
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I never said the Camaro won't make more power than the Z06, I said the Camaro won't make more power than the comparable Corvette level. SS didn't make more than the base, Z/28 didn't make more than the Z06 and ZL1 didn't make more than the ZR1. With the Z06 likely being the top Corvette this generation, the ZL1 will like have 600-615 horsepower.
I didn't quote you initially...I quoted snakedriver, who said chevy wouldn't make a Camaro with more power than the z06.
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Old 07-17-2014, 03:18 PM   #39
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The Hellcat, and the GT500 are both going to be great but in all reality they are not really that relevant. Sure you win bragging rights with cars like these but they are very limited in production and precious few will ever own one. Same goes for the ZL1 and Z28. The majority of Camaro owners will be buying the SS and the v6 models. How those stack up against the Mustang and Challenger compareable models will be more relevant to sales and success of the Camaro.
Exactly. Ford just released the official power/weight numbers of the 2015 Mustang lineup and uhh, well it's a snoozer. The Fusion looks, the 4 banger and now these numbers scream corporate sellout:

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  • 300 HP / 280 LB-FT (on 93 octane) (down from 305 HP of 2014 S197)
  • Compression ratio: 10.5:1
  • Manual curb weight: 3526 lbs (+30 lbs increase over 2014 S197)
  • Automatic curb weight: 3530 lbs (+12 lbs increase over 2014 S197)
2.3L EcoBoost -- 310 HP / 320 LB-FT (on 93 octane)
  • Twin-scroll turbo—the first ever used on a Ford
  • Compression ratio: 10.5:1
  • Manual curb weight: 3532 lbs
  • Automatic curb weight: 3524 lbs
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  • 435 HP / 400 LB-FT (on 93 octane) (up from 420 HP / 390 LB-FT of 2014 S197)
  • Compression ratio: 11:1
  • Manual curb weight: 3705 lbs (+87 lbs over 2014 S197)
  • Automatic curb weight: 3729 lbs (+54 lbs over 2014 S197)

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i'm actually impressed by the 4 banger. but yeah, everything else stinks.
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Old 07-17-2014, 07:23 PM   #41
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Exactly. Ford just released the official power/weight numbers of the 2015 Mustang lineup and uhh, well it's a snoozer. The Fusion looks, the 4 banger and now these numbers scream corporate sellout:


There is going to be some very upset Ford Fanboys.
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Old 07-17-2014, 07:37 PM   #42
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Don't expect the 5.0 output to stay the same. In 2 or 3 years I bet it's closer to 450.
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Old 07-17-2014, 07:51 PM   #43
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Don't expect the 5.0 output to stay the same. In 2 or 3 years I bet it's closer to 450.
Maybe not even two or three years, especially if the 2016 Camaro SS gets rated at 440 or 445.
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Old 07-17-2014, 07:52 PM   #44
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i'm actually impressed by the 4 banger. but yeah, everything else stinks.

I've had a rental w/ a ecoboost 4cyl, and I was extremely impressed.

Yeah it sucks that the GT40 (or the more recent GT) is gone. Ford isn't playing the same game that GM is, because they aren't making a true sports car. So, the mustang is playing both the muscle and sports role.


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Sorry but the zl1 is not in the same league as the gt500 in straight line. Look at the mph and ET. And its very close to the zl1 on track when its a long course. Anyway. Fact is that GM needs to get serious about their engine.
Why they made a LSA engine? They should have only made an LS9, cost would have been down and Vette would still be 1st in front of heavy caddy and zl1. But GM would be a big player, right now.

Good news is that the LT1 in his original form is already more powerfull than the upgraded coyote, by a lot of torq, especially.

Still, Im hoping GM will come out with a top dog n/a engine of FI for the Camaro, not a detuned engine with a smaller supercharger. IMO, they cannot do this anymore. Were talking about huge HP here...at least 663 and 708 ideally hahah

Leta hope GM dont like to be 3rd...gloves are off!!!
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Old 07-18-2014, 01:37 AM   #46
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I don't want GM wasting time trying to create a horse power monster... Keep doing what you do best in creating an all around great car..
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