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Old 07-16-2014, 12:23 PM   #1
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Chevy better be up for the challenge

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New svt mustang is already testing at the nring. Camaro sixth gen better bring performance right out the gate.
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Old 07-16-2014, 12:39 PM   #2
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New svt mustang is already testing at the nring. Camaro sixth gen better bring performance right out the gate.
No worries...Chevy knows what needs to be done.

The SVT is gunning for the current Z/28 and other high end competitors...not just the basic SS or 1LE.
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No worries...Chevy knows what needs to be done.

The SVT is gunning for the current Z/28 and other high end competitors...not just the basic SS or 1LE.
The issue is will they actually do something about it? I don't see how GM would handle the Hellcat, let alone a future GT500 making more power. They aren't even equipped to handle the GT350, if it is actually making 500+ horsepower.

With the SRT 392 now making 485 horsepower and the way Ford has been upgrading the 5.0 over time, the LT1 may be the least powerful of the entry V8 engines.
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It will.
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Agreed. It's no time to be conservative. The gloves are obviously off.
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Does GM even have engines that could be used to compete against those cars? I know about the Corvette, but as many has said, those engines will probably not be used.
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The issue is will they actually do something about it? I don't see how GM would handle the Hellcat, let alone a future GT500 making more power. They aren't even equipped to handle the GT350, if it is actually making 500+ horsepower.

With the SRT 392 now making 485 horsepower and the way Ford has been upgrading the 5.0 over time, the LT1 may be the least powerful of the entry V8 engines.
If they're smart they won't play that game. The Corvette is already the bestselling car in it's price+performance segment. On the drag strip, a stock Mustang is going to beat a stock Camaro but yet the Camaro has sold better.

I expect a performance upgrade in the next Camaro but I'm also not worried about what the highest end models will or won't be capable of.
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The good thing is, the Hellcat numbers are out of the bag and we will know more about the GT350 in the next 9-12 months. Which means the cards will be out on the table for GM and they will know what they need to do. However history could repeat itself, like when the ZL1 was released with a little more power than the prior GT500, but then Ford rained on that parade quickly with the 662 hp GT500. Either way it should push for continual improvement for all brands.
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Let weight-to-power be your guide...

GT500 was 3850/662 = 5.81...no Automatic
Hellcat will be 4200/707 = 5.94...with Automatic

An LT4 Camaro @ 3800/650 = 5.85; @ 3900/650 = 6.00...with Automatic.

Don't fall on your swords just yet. It's not a matter of "IF", but a matter of "WHEN?!"
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If they're smart they won't play that game. The Corvette is already the bestselling car in it's price+performance segment. On the drag strip, a stock Mustang is going to beat a stock Camaro but yet the Camaro has sold better.

I expect a performance upgrade in the next Camaro but I'm also not worried about what the highest end models will or won't be capable of.
That's because the Camaro was the newer car overall. With a new chassis and IRS, the Mustang will have no problem selling.

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Let weight-to-power be your guide...

GT500 was 3850/662 = 5.81...no Automatic
Hellcat will be 4200/707 = 5.94...with Automatic

An LT4 Camaro @ 3800/650 = 5.85; @ 3900/650 = 6.00...with Automatic.

Don't fall on your swords just yet. It's not a matter of "IF", but a matter of "WHEN?!"
We have to wait until the CTS-V comes out to see what kind of power the ZL1 will probably get but I don't see either getting all 650. 600 to 615 is my guess. Maybe 625.
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The good thing is, the Hellcat numbers are out of the bag and we will know more about the GT350 in the next 9-12 months. Which means the cards will be out on the table for GM and they will know what they need to do. However history could repeat itself, like when the ZL1 was released with a little more power than the prior GT500, but then Ford rained on that parade quickly with the 662 hp GT500. Either way it should push for continual improvement for all brands.
Call me pessimistic but I am 100% sure that is what is going to happen. The ZR1 launched with 638/604 and the ZL1 launched with 580/556 3 years later... The Corvette has to be the most powerful car in the fleet at all times, and as long as it exists, the Camaro will never be as fast out of the box as it should be, which will give Dodge and Ford plenty of breathing room.

Though I think Dodge is just flexing with 707hp - it's bragging rights. The new SVT probably won't have similar figures. And the Camaro has proven to be the top dog on the track.
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Let weight-to-power be your guide...

GT500 was 3850/662 = 5.81...no Automatic
Hellcat will be 4200/707 = 5.94...with Automatic

An LT4 Camaro @ 3800/650 = 5.85; @ 3900/650 = 6.00...with Automatic.

Don't fall on your swords just yet. It's not a matter of "IF", but a matter of "WHEN?!"
4260 was the weight of the SRT... there's no way it didn't gain any weight. Power to weight is also a rather poor comparison - gears, tires, weight distribution, power itself and the curve...
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Old 07-16-2014, 03:20 PM   #13
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current zl1 is 4120lbs. you really think the new one will be 3800lbs? that would be amazing. would mean the SS would be around 3500lbs...
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current zl1 is 4120lbs. you really think the new one will be 3800lbs? that would be amazing. would mean the SS would be around 3500lbs...
It depends on how it's Packaged...and Optioned. Perhaps "one size fits ALL" LT4s will not be the case.

If the Manual-trans'd LT4 weighs 3900 lbs. it will still nudge the other two @ 6.0 lb/hp. Add about 100 lb. for 8-Speed Automatic.

Point is, the Camaro is a "player".

Comparing LS9 Vettes with LSA Camaros is an apples/oranges deal...and LSA Caddies were how many horses shy of ZL1s?

And YES weight-to-power is NOT the only factor. One only needs to look at the Z/28 for that confirmation, particularly in curvy circumstances...
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Wayyyy to early to count out GM.

Going on Alpha and giving the car the proper weight loss it deserves is all GM needs to have a game changer.

Have you guys already forgotten how friggin bad@ss the Z/28 is? I'm not saying the GT350 or 350R (whatever it ends up being) won't compete or beat the Z/28, but its a very high mark forsure.

Now imagine if the Z/28 was a few hundred lbs lighter, just how much more amazing it would be?? Well...thats all possible with alpha. Throw in a higher output version of the LT1 in it and we're golden again.

Also, as some are saying above concerning the GT500 and the Hellcat, the LT4 in an Alpha chassis would still be very competitive at around 650 HP b/c it would likely weigh around 3,900 lbs. Thats a good 3 or 400 lbs less than the hellcat and would be very competitive, especially with its very ample TQ rating which isn't much lower than Hellcat.

I don't see GM chasing the 700+HP mark.....and I don't think they need to either.

Now if Ford happens to do another GT500, and decides to dethrone the Hellcat on power ratings, it will likely weigh right around 3,900 to 4,000 lbs as well....that could be a problem.

Anyways, back to my point...I don't think we should be worried at all.
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Wayyyy to early to count out GM.



Going on Alpha and giving the car the proper weight loss it deserves is all GM needs to have a game changer.



Have you guys already forgotten how friggin bad@ss the Z/28 is? I'm not saying the GT350 or 350R (whatever it ends up being) won't compete or beat the Z/28, but its a very high mark forsure.



Now imagine if the Z/28 was a few hundred lbs lighter, just how much more amazing it would be?? Well...thats all possible with alpha. Throw in a higher output version of the LT1 in it and we're golden again.



Also, as some are saying above concerning the GT500 and the Hellcat, the LT4 in an Alpha chassis would still be very competitive at around 650 HP b/c it would likely weigh around 3,900 lbs. Thats a good 3 or 400 lbs less than the hellcat and would be very competitive, especially with its very ample TQ rating which isn't much lower than Hellcat.



I don't see GM chasing the 700+HP mark.....and I don't think they need to either.



Now if Ford happens to do another GT500, and decides to dethrone the Hellcat on power ratings, it will likely weigh right around 3,900 to 4,000 lbs as well....that could be a problem.



Anyways, back to my point...I don't think we should be worried at all.

Agreed. GM will let the Ford boys push the envelope, test the waters and be reined on by lawyers and corporate even as they manage to debut an awesome car. Then GM will be able to put the money saved, the risk avoided and the lawyers appeased aside and come out with a better car.
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If they're smart they won't play that game. The Corvette is already the bestselling car in it's price+performance segment. On the drag strip, a stock Mustang is going to beat a stock Camaro but yet the Camaro has sold better.

I expect a performance upgrade in the next Camaro but I'm also not worried about what the highest end models will or won't be capable of.

Dude the camaro has sold better cause of all the pink camaros were putting out for college teens and similar.
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Wayyyy to early to count out GM.

Going on Alpha and giving the car the proper weight loss it deserves is all GM needs to have a game changer.

Have you guys already forgotten how friggin bad@ss the Z/28 is? I'm not saying the GT350 or 350R (whatever it ends up being) won't compete or beat the Z/28, but its a very high mark forsure.

Now imagine if the Z/28 was a few hundred lbs lighter, just how much more amazing it would be?? Well...thats all possible with alpha. Throw in a higher output version of the LT1 in it and we're golden again.

Also, as some are saying above concerning the GT500 and the Hellcat, the LT4 in an Alpha chassis would still be very competitive at around 650 HP b/c it would likely weigh around 3,900 lbs. Thats a good 3 or 400 lbs less than the hellcat and would be very competitive, especially with its very ample TQ rating which isn't much lower than Hellcat.

I don't see GM chasing the 700+HP mark.....and I don't think they need to either.

Now if Ford happens to do another GT500, and decides to dethrone the Hellcat on power ratings, it will likely weigh right around 3,900 to 4,000 lbs as well....that could be a problem.

Anyways, back to my point...I don't think we should be worried at all.
I'm not counting them out, just saying they need to shake some of the rules they have about their hierarchy. Not to mention how they don't develop their engines further once they are in a car.

Putting the Camaro on the Alpha will be a big upgrade but I don't see how it's a game changer. The Camaro will probably end up weighing around what the 2015+ Mustang weighs.

The Z/28 is an awesome car but it is one car and look what it took to get it? It is the most expensive Camaro ever and built in small numbers. From the videos of the GT350 mules running The Ring, it sure sounds like a flat plane crank. Now, the LS7 is an amazing engine but the difference is, it was built for another car.
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Performance is more than just high horse power and straight lines... And for the record I don't remember Ford releasing their Nurburgring times when they tested their current GT500..
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Performance is more than just high horse power and straight lines... And for the record I don't remember Ford releasing their Nurburgring times when they tested their current GT500..
They did not and likely never will. Same is likely for this new model.
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New svt mustang is already testing at the nring. Camaro sixth gen better bring performance right out the gate.


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Performance is more than just high horse power and straight lines... And for the record I don't remember Ford releasing their Nurburgring times when they tested their current GT500..
Because the Z whooped it . Think it was near my 2004 chevy van in track times 10 minutes or so give or take a minute
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After all this I fear a twin turbo small V-8 with numbers to make your jaw drop. But it's a turbo.....
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Not entirely sure why anyone still believes GM will respond to these HP / drag wars when they have not bumped the power even a tiny bit on the 5th gen since the launch of either the SS or ZL1. They have simply chosen to offer 3 road race versions of the car.
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The issue is will they actually do something about it? I don't see how GM would handle the Hellcat, let alone a future GT500 making more power. They aren't even equipped to handle the GT350, if it is actually making 500+ horsepower.

With the SRT 392 now making 485 horsepower and the way Ford has been upgrading the 5.0 over time, the LT1 may be the least powerful of the entry V8 engines.
Gee , everyone just wants more power and more power
But at this HP level , other things that used to be not that important , they are the ones that really makes the difference
What good it does , if one got a shitload off HP , but really can't find a way to use all of it , just because can't find the right mix of those other things to keep those crazy HP on the ground
It's almost like those guys at high school , that are seen all the time surrounded by the hot girls , but for some reason , that's just that
They are just for show , if one can't use it
And we all know some of those guys ! They always existed .
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