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Old 07-16-2014, 11:23 AM   #1
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Chevy better be up for the challenge

http://www.mustang6g.com/forums/show...t350-2462.html

New svt mustang is already testing at the nring. Camaro sixth gen better bring performance right out the gate.
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Old 07-16-2014, 11:39 AM   #2
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New svt mustang is already testing at the nring. Camaro sixth gen better bring performance right out the gate.
No worries...Chevy knows what needs to be done.

The SVT is gunning for the current Z/28 and other high end competitors...not just the basic SS or 1LE.
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Old 07-16-2014, 11:52 AM   #3
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No worries...Chevy knows what needs to be done.

The SVT is gunning for the current Z/28 and other high end competitors...not just the basic SS or 1LE.
The issue is will they actually do something about it? I don't see how GM would handle the Hellcat, let alone a future GT500 making more power. They aren't even equipped to handle the GT350, if it is actually making 500+ horsepower.

With the SRT 392 now making 485 horsepower and the way Ford has been upgrading the 5.0 over time, the LT1 may be the least powerful of the entry V8 engines.
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Old 07-16-2014, 12:06 PM   #4
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New svt mustang is already testing at the nring. Camaro sixth gen better bring performance right out the gate.
It will.
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Old 07-16-2014, 12:58 PM   #5
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Agreed. It's no time to be conservative. The gloves are obviously off.
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Old 07-16-2014, 01:28 PM   #6
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Does GM even have engines that could be used to compete against those cars? I know about the Corvette, but as many has said, those engines will probably not be used.
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Old 07-16-2014, 01:32 PM   #7
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The issue is will they actually do something about it? I don't see how GM would handle the Hellcat, let alone a future GT500 making more power. They aren't even equipped to handle the GT350, if it is actually making 500+ horsepower.

With the SRT 392 now making 485 horsepower and the way Ford has been upgrading the 5.0 over time, the LT1 may be the least powerful of the entry V8 engines.
If they're smart they won't play that game. The Corvette is already the bestselling car in it's price+performance segment. On the drag strip, a stock Mustang is going to beat a stock Camaro but yet the Camaro has sold better.

I expect a performance upgrade in the next Camaro but I'm also not worried about what the highest end models will or won't be capable of.
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Old 07-16-2014, 01:33 PM   #8
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The good thing is, the Hellcat numbers are out of the bag and we will know more about the GT350 in the next 9-12 months. Which means the cards will be out on the table for GM and they will know what they need to do. However history could repeat itself, like when the ZL1 was released with a little more power than the prior GT500, but then Ford rained on that parade quickly with the 662 hp GT500. Either way it should push for continual improvement for all brands.
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Old 07-16-2014, 01:52 PM   #9
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Let weight-to-power be your guide...

GT500 was 3850/662 = 5.81...no Automatic
Hellcat will be 4200/707 = 5.94...with Automatic

An LT4 Camaro @ 3800/650 = 5.85; @ 3900/650 = 6.00...with Automatic.

Don't fall on your swords just yet. It's not a matter of "IF", but a matter of "WHEN?!"
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Old 07-16-2014, 02:02 PM   #10
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If they're smart they won't play that game. The Corvette is already the bestselling car in it's price+performance segment. On the drag strip, a stock Mustang is going to beat a stock Camaro but yet the Camaro has sold better.

I expect a performance upgrade in the next Camaro but I'm also not worried about what the highest end models will or won't be capable of.
That's because the Camaro was the newer car overall. With a new chassis and IRS, the Mustang will have no problem selling.

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Let weight-to-power be your guide...

GT500 was 3850/662 = 5.81...no Automatic
Hellcat will be 4200/707 = 5.94...with Automatic

An LT4 Camaro @ 3800/650 = 5.85; @ 3900/650 = 6.00...with Automatic.

Don't fall on your swords just yet. It's not a matter of "IF", but a matter of "WHEN?!"
We have to wait until the CTS-V comes out to see what kind of power the ZL1 will probably get but I don't see either getting all 650. 600 to 615 is my guess. Maybe 625.
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Old 07-16-2014, 02:04 PM   #11
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The good thing is, the Hellcat numbers are out of the bag and we will know more about the GT350 in the next 9-12 months. Which means the cards will be out on the table for GM and they will know what they need to do. However history could repeat itself, like when the ZL1 was released with a little more power than the prior GT500, but then Ford rained on that parade quickly with the 662 hp GT500. Either way it should push for continual improvement for all brands.
Call me pessimistic but I am 100% sure that is what is going to happen. The ZR1 launched with 638/604 and the ZL1 launched with 580/556 3 years later... The Corvette has to be the most powerful car in the fleet at all times, and as long as it exists, the Camaro will never be as fast out of the box as it should be, which will give Dodge and Ford plenty of breathing room.

Though I think Dodge is just flexing with 707hp - it's bragging rights. The new SVT probably won't have similar figures. And the Camaro has proven to be the top dog on the track.
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Let weight-to-power be your guide...

GT500 was 3850/662 = 5.81...no Automatic
Hellcat will be 4200/707 = 5.94...with Automatic

An LT4 Camaro @ 3800/650 = 5.85; @ 3900/650 = 6.00...with Automatic.

Don't fall on your swords just yet. It's not a matter of "IF", but a matter of "WHEN?!"
4260 was the weight of the SRT... there's no way it didn't gain any weight. Power to weight is also a rather poor comparison - gears, tires, weight distribution, power itself and the curve...
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Old 07-16-2014, 02:20 PM   #13
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current zl1 is 4120lbs. you really think the new one will be 3800lbs? that would be amazing. would mean the SS would be around 3500lbs...
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current zl1 is 4120lbs. you really think the new one will be 3800lbs? that would be amazing. would mean the SS would be around 3500lbs...
It depends on how it's Packaged...and Optioned. Perhaps "one size fits ALL" LT4s will not be the case.

If the Manual-trans'd LT4 weighs 3900 lbs. it will still nudge the other two @ 6.0 lb/hp. Add about 100 lb. for 8-Speed Automatic.

Point is, the Camaro is a "player".

Comparing LS9 Vettes with LSA Camaros is an apples/oranges deal...and LSA Caddies were how many horses shy of ZL1s?

And YES weight-to-power is NOT the only factor. One only needs to look at the Z/28 for that confirmation, particularly in curvy circumstances...
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