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Old 06-22-2014, 08:20 PM   #26
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2) Otherwise bump the 2.0 power a bit, and offer it for the same price as the V6, giving the buyers two good options based on their own preference. Frankly I'd love this approach.
I thought that was the whole reason we wouldn't see the LF3 in the Camaro? More expensive to produce with inferior HP, torque, and fuel economy compared to the LT1. It would be a different motor that would be fun to drive but the average Camaro owner is still stuck on rear drive V8 performance. I guess how they build and end up placing the turbo 4 will answer that. I'm all for options but they keep telling us about development costs driving up the overall price of the Camaro regardless of what model you choose.
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Old 06-22-2014, 11:55 PM   #27
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Just because there is nothing between the LT1 and LT4 doesn't mean there couldn't be in the future.
That's exactly why I said 2016..
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Old 06-23-2014, 08:35 AM   #28
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Old 06-23-2014, 08:46 AM   #29
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I could very well see a LT1 in my future. Just hope they do keep the weight down.
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Old 06-23-2014, 08:48 AM   #30
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Not really surprised here other than the I-4. I'll be impressed if it's MPG's is worth it.
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Old 06-23-2014, 08:57 AM   #31
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I think a turbo I4 and a V6 are redundant. I'd go one or the other. That's going to add cost to ALL models because now the chassis has to be designed to accommodate four options. We ALL pay for extra options.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:18 AM   #32
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Would have liked to see the twin turbo 6 from the Cadillac lineup on that list instead of the 4 banger.

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Old 06-23-2014, 09:25 AM   #33
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That's exactly why I said 2016..
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:30 AM   #34
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:32 AM   #35
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Cant wait for the 2016....hopefully it comes in alot lighter.
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:05 AM   #36
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The 4cyl is good to the extent that it will force the design to be light enough. It works fine in the ATS by all accounts I have read.
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:56 AM   #37
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Disappointed to see I-4 on the list but supercharged LT4 more than makes up for it.
Very much agree. Don't understand why an I4 is being put in a pony/muscle car but guess there needs to be competition with Ford and raise CAFE mpg fleet standards for Chevy.

New gen needs to shed some serious weight or that has to be one powerful 4 cyl and turbo to get the Camaro up and moving respectively.
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Old 06-23-2014, 11:16 AM   #38
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Cant wait for the 2016....hopefully it comes in alot lighter.
it won't.
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Old 06-23-2014, 11:33 AM   #39
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Old 06-23-2014, 11:41 AM   #40
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I think a turbo I4 and a V6 are redundant. I'd go one or the other. That's going to add cost to ALL models because now the chassis has to be designed to accommodate four options. We ALL pay for extra options.
The chasis they are using already exists (Alpha) and already accepts those engines. No added cost that hasn't already been spent.
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Old 06-23-2014, 11:43 AM   #41
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it won't.
Its using Alpha and the car is apparantly shrinking. Tell us how it won't be lighter?

May not be super light, but expect it to be right with or better than the 2015 Mustang.
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Old 06-23-2014, 12:02 PM   #42
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I bet that turbo 4cylinder would be a beast it will come with at least 320hp before bolt ons a tuned but hey what do I no lol
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Old 06-23-2014, 12:04 PM   #43
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The chasis they are using already exists (Alpha) and already accepts those engines. No added cost that hasn't already been spent.
That's not true at all. You have millions in R&D dollars per platform. You have to engineer an entire new driveline. It doesn't matter that the chassis already exists and accepts those engines. You have a totally different configuration and everything has to be custom-sized and mounted. You're also going to need to design and tune a whole different suspension setup. Then there is the liability of adding a 4 cylinder to a line of carbs that have never had a 4 cylinder motor. The V6's and V8's are known sellers, and the I-4's will have to be subsidized through then. Expect the V6 and V8 costs to increase in order to pay for the I-4's debut.

The cheapest way to make the Camaro is to make one car with no options. Want a cheap Camaro? Every single Camaro is a black 2SS with a manual transmission. Prices would fall, or GM could sell them for the same price but at a much higher margin. This is why Ford initially only made black cars - just the availability of the options costs money because you have all that R&D into something that may or may not even sell.
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only expecting the price of the 6th gen to go up from the normal inflation. They won't price out of the mustang price range. Unless they increase power and decrease size, in a large way. also, unless of course mustang increases their mustangs due to their turbo 4. lol
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The 15 mustang is not that much lighter than the 14. I would expect the camaro at 3600-3700 in all honesty.
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The 15 mustang is not that much lighter than the 14. I would expect the camaro at 3600-3700 in all honesty.
the 15 mustang is heavier than the 14...
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I bet that turbo 4cylinder would be a beast it will come with at least 320hp before bolt ons a tuned but hey what do I no lol
Fear teh GM Turbo quads running alcohol. GM won't do it, but a turbo 4 set up for OEM E85 would make a very nasty baby Rat starting point. 500HP would probably be bolt-on limit. Add fuel system upgrades, head bolts, and a big single can put a GM 4 past 900HP. I believe the hottest ones are well past 1200HP on methanol.

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Correction, at least 1500HP. Probably higher.
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Turbo 4 cyl... In a muscle car...
Not a lot of V8's will play well with over 45psig manifold boost and >8500 rpm.

There are very few 6's that can pull it off.

That being said, I'd never buy a 4 banger in a Camaro. It doesn't mean it's not a great engine, it just means I wouldn't buy a six either. Or an automatic. Or a 'vert. Or put 20"s or larger on one. Or put any chrome on it. Or put a radio in one.

For me, it's got to be a huge NA V8 with a true MANual and a hardtop.
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