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Old 02-05-2014, 10:30 PM   #26
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I'll drop the roof a bit; didn't realize people would rather have the cramped quarters inside in favor of outside appearance but that can be easily done. The wheelbase is actually shorter than the current Camaro. Because the wheels are 18" the overall proportions make it appear as though the car is larger than it actually is. The long windshield and front design is an attempt to improve gas mileage through a low drag coefficient since the CAFE requirements are going to get worse and worse.

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Your next comment #508....equally useless as this one? Put in something positive and constructive instead of just mocking.



Wow it's not even close! ??



The rear cooling duct is intended to be functional; especially since Camaro owners take their cars to the track. I'm guessing you don't but I certainly do and I know others do.

I'll try the HID's in the side lights; might work.

I haven't done anything with a diffuser in the back but that can be added. The exhaust pipes fit beneath the rear cowl as-is, so I didn't put a diffuser in it. But I can play with that if people feel that's an important styling feature.

I really appreciate the time those who are putting in constructive comments are taking to put in their suggestions and feedback.
The front end definitely is. Sorry.
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Old 02-06-2014, 01:45 AM   #27
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The front Remind me of a GT 390 Concept & the rear reminds me of a old school Ferarri Testarossa. It have potential into being a nice economy sporty car but not a Camaro imo.
On another note...
Is the Camaro from the new Transformers gonna be the new Generation?! That thing is hideous, the new generation Mustang is super sexy & still waiting on Dodge to release pics of what they have planned. That C7 is just bad to the bone though. Love what Ive been seeing so far from our American Top Dogs.
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Reminds me of a NSX. Especially with the bridged spoiler.
Actually the bridged spoiler was inspired by the 4th gen Camaro.

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I like it, don't kno if it works for a camaro tho. How would the c pilar look if you brought the bottom of it into the fender and have the top of it follow the rear window. If you understand what I'm trying to say lol
I think I understand what you're saying. You want that angled piece at the bottom removed and the C pillar to just go all the way down to the fender?

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i'm sorry,meant nothing by it but that's just how it(and most of the pics)looks like to me..a Corvette.

No, I wasn't offended. That might actually be a selling point if it helps bring in a new generation of buyers. Right now with Vettes and performance Camaros being up and above $40k that's pretty much out of reach for the younger generations. They would probably respond very well to a muscle car that could be considered a younger person's Corvette. Instead of a Camaro, maybe this could be a new class of Vette, although at that price point it would interfere with the Camaro market, unless this version was a 2-seater like the Vette is. Definitely an interesting idea!

Based on feedback, here's a few snapshots with a revised cabin. I lowered the roof a couple of inches, moved the base of the windshield back 4 inches, moved the entire front of the cabin including the A pillar back 2 inches, moved the base of the rear window forward 2 inches. This sounds like it wouldn't be that much work but it took me almost 2 hours of tweaking to get this to look right. I was surprised at how just lowering the roof threw off the entire look, and how much work it took to get it all rebalanced.

I also straightened the bottom of the fender well edges. As someone pointed out, the previous design although I thought it was cool looking, would have been impractical when trying to remove a wheel.

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Looks good!! Now for the rear brake duct to be functional, would the rear caliper not have to be on the front side of the disc instead of the rear? Or does it really matter?
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Looks like a Japanese edition of a corvette
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Proportions are way off

Nobody would ever buy this

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You should design cars for video games. Those designs would be awesome for that.
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Old 02-06-2014, 01:29 PM   #33
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front end looks like mitsubishi 3000gt.. def not good..
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1995 Acura NSX. End of discussion.
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Yeah I should stop working on creating anything because this:

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...mine even has mirrors, headlights and a spoiler! What was I thinking?!!!

You know, some of you really need to stop and think before you post. Do you honestly think there's going to be styles and designs like nothing ever seen before by anyone anywhere? That somehow even though it has 4 wheels, seats, mirrors, windows, headlights, tail lights, engine up front and has to be a "muscle" car, a NEW shape is going to be possible that doesn't even remotely look like anything done before?? Grow up!!! These ridiculous "it looks like (image of car from the past)" posts are absolutely worthless. If you can't be positive and constructive like some of the others in this thread who are doing a great job of getting into the spirit of this effort, then don't even bother posting.

Since we know GM people look at these threads, wouldn't it be great if we could give them the impression we care about design and want to contribute something other than the glaring evidence of what a bunch of immature divas some of the customer base can be? This is a CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT thread with the key word being DEVELOPMENT. I'm taking constructive feedback, ideas and suggestions and putting them into 3 dimensional images. Are any of you negative critics who say this looks like some other car from the past offering anything useful? If you think you "know better" then by all means show us what you've got. CONTRIBUTE like some of the others are or just don't post. If any more of these kinds of useless posts keep showing up which do nothing but waste space and clutter up the thread, I'm going to start asking mods to delete them.

Nobody is making anyone come in here; if you don't like what you see, that's okay...just be specific about what you don't like and why, and offer some suggestions as to what changes you would like to see. Think positive and creative. If you're just going to be condescending, mocking, negative and complain then stay out cause I don't need you in here.
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I think you latest version looks a lot better. Wheel wells correct lower shape. The new roofline looks much better to me, while at the same time still gives an increased viewing area over 5th gens. I,d say you nailed it as far as what I was thinking.

I think what a lot of people don't realize about gm & others design is how much all overall platforms WILL change shape in the future. All the first cars looked like horseless carriages, next was very boxy, next smoother , but still boxy, on to the fin look years, to longer& smoother, 2 lights to 4 lights to 2 lights, big boats to smaller boxes, to more streamlined, to retro looks , etc, etc. Point is many cars all from same years take on similar looks, partly to chassis designs, manufacturing, & other requirements.
We should be glad the 5th gen Camaros look more like what most consider a Camaro rather than some of the gm concepts no one really wants to remember.
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...mine even has mirrors, headlights and a spoiler! What was I thinking?!!!

You know, some of you really need to stop and think before you post. Do you honestly think there's going to be styles and designs like nothing ever seen before by anyone anywhere? That somehow even though it has 4 wheels, seats, mirrors, windows, headlights, tail lights, engine up front and has to be a "muscle" car, a NEW shape is going to be possible that doesn't even remotely look like anything done before?? Grow up!!! These ridiculous "it looks like (image of car from the past)" posts are absolutely worthless. If you can't be positive and constructive like some of the others in this thread who are doing a great job of getting into the spirit of this effort, then don't even bother posting.

Since we know GM people look at these threads, wouldn't it be great if we could give them the impression we care about design and want to contribute something other than the glaring evidence of what a bunch of immature divas some of the customer base can be? This is a CONCEPT DEVELOPMENT thread with the key word being DEVELOPMENT. I'm taking constructive feedback, ideas and suggestions and putting them into 3 dimensional images. Are any of you negative critics who say this looks like some other car from the past offering anything useful? If you think you "know better" then by all means show us what you've got. CONTRIBUTE like some of the others are or just don't post. If any more of these kinds of useless posts keep showing up which do nothing but waste space and clutter up the thread, I'm going to start asking mods to delete them.

Nobody is making anyone come in here; if you don't like what you see, that's okay...just be specific about what you don't like and why, and offer some suggestions as to what changes you would like to see. Think positive and creative. If you're just going to be condescending, mocking, negative and complain then stay out cause I don't need you in here.

Design is usually evolutionary and rarely revolutionary. Hell, just changing tail lights sets some people off...
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I like the third one down on the first set of pictures

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huge improvement over the last one that i looked at. I like the side profile of this one alot
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f they produce this car ,they will quit making them after 2 years for lack of sales and the Camaro will once again be idle
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It looks too much like a Corvette, its too small to be a Camaro, and the body lines and design make it look like something from the 80's, too old. Its a complete step back from the current Camaro's jump. What made this generation (5th) so successful is it looks futuristic.
The Camaro is just a Corvette that is much more liveable on a daily basis. Its got 4 seats, rides more comfortably, and is safer. Its always been higher off the ground so it can clear pretty much any road situation with ease. Look at the main complaints about the 5th gen. Its always been the visibility and the trunk space, both aspects that reduce its ease as a daily driver.
Car design is moving more towards this:

Not this:


If you handed your render to someone and told them to place it with one of the two images I posted there based off which it looks closer to in design they'll put it on the Fiero.

We all know GM has influence on this site, look at the concept that got front paged recently:


It wasn't a coincidence they front paged that, they are performing market research for free lol. Look at the new Transformers 4 Camaro too. Although its obviously a modified Gen 5 they are giving us a rough sketch of the 6th Gen. It will look similar to that front paged concept and the T4 car. Just basically take the T4 car and shrink it down. I feel like this is all in plain site or am I going crazy?

I don't think you should give up though. A "mini" Corvette/Camaro definitely would have a market based off sales of that BRZ thing Subaru made.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/20/s...-selling-cars/

Take your design and "futurise" it. The tail lights and head lights need a serious revamp, I'd start there. Take cues from all new major brands. Nowadays you need some kind of halo/led strip, something. You also need some kind of led runner on the bottom of the bumper and probably an exaggerated and aggressive grille. Cars nowadays are all moving towards more tough looking urban street fighter cars. Then take the roof line down as it would be a 2 seater.

It sucks when people don't like something you took a lot of time to make but you have to be ready for that possibility. As long as you like it you should be happy. If other people get you upset then you weren't really making it for you. I spent months building a custom bumper for my car and there were/are a LOT of people who hated it but at the end of the day I love it and that is what matters.
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Maybe not a great Camaro design but I think it would be a sweet little 4 banger or 6 cyl by GM to compete against smaller cars like the new Scion and Subaru that just came out not to long ago.
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I feel like all of your designs seem to travel the same direction, in terms of general figure. Have you tried doing paper and pencil work, sketching out shapes and such, rather than going through the entire process on the computer (which I am only assuming you do, please correct me if I am wrong). I feel you could definitely get something more well received, and generally better designed, if you started with a hand sketch.
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I think this a great direction. The only thing I would change is the lights. I am not sure what I want to see yet but I would like to see it a little sinister. I for one have no problem with a 4 seat corvette called Camaro......
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It looks too much like a Corvette, its too small to be a Camaro, and the body lines and design make it look like something from the 80's, too old. Its a complete step back from the current Camaro's jump. What made this generation (5th) so successful is it looks futuristic.
The Camaro is just a Corvette that is much more liveable on a daily basis. Its got 4 seats, rides more comfortably, and is safer. Its always been higher off the ground so it can clear pretty much any road situation with ease. Look at the main complaints about the 5th gen. Its always been the visibility and the trunk space, both aspects that reduce its ease as a daily driver.
Car design is moving more towards this:

Not this:


If you handed your render to someone and told them to place it with one of the two images I posted there based off which it looks closer to in design they'll put it on the Fiero.

We all know GM has influence on this site, look at the concept that got front paged recently:


It wasn't a coincidence they front paged that, they are performing market research for free lol. Look at the new Transformers 4 Camaro too. Although its obviously a modified Gen 5 they are giving us a rough sketch of the 6th Gen. It will look similar to that front paged concept and the T4 car. Just basically take the T4 car and shrink it down. I feel like this is all in plain site or am I going crazy?

I don't think you should give up though. A "mini" Corvette/Camaro definitely would have a market based off sales of that BRZ thing Subaru made.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/06/20/s...-selling-cars/

Take your design and "futurise" it. The tail lights and head lights need a serious revamp, I'd start there. Take cues from all new major brands. Nowadays you need some kind of halo/led strip, something. You also need some kind of led runner on the bottom of the bumper and probably an exaggerated and aggressive grille. Cars nowadays are all moving towards more tough looking urban street fighter cars. Then take the roof line down as it would be a 2 seater.

It sucks when people don't like something you took a lot of time to make but you have to be ready for that possibility. As long as you like it you should be happy. If other people get you upset then you weren't really making it for you. I spent months building a custom bumper for my car and there were/are a LOT of people who hated it but at the end of the day I love it and that is what matters.
Too small to be a Camaro? Do you realize what the CAFE requirements are going to be doing to car design in the very near future? I don't actually like that design/render that was posted on the front page of the site. I wouldn't buy a car that looked like that. But that's just my opinion and I don't bash/trash the guy who created it just because it's not what I want to see. I encouraged him to keep going and keep developing ideas.

I'm not upset if people don't like what I'm doing; what upsets me is when they don't read the thread and make useless posts as a result. I've clearly stated what I would like people to do if they don't like what they see and you've done it. Say why; give constructive feedback as to what you'd like to see changed.

I'm quite aware of current "trends" and I've been deliberately staying away from most of them. I'm not designing a narcissist-mobile. Considering what some of these "old designs" go for in auctions nowadays I don't see being influenced by past designs as a bad thing. The 5th gen is so successful because they absolutely nailed the essence of the look and feel of a late 1960's Camaro.

I'm experimenting. These concepts literally start with a single dot in the middle of empty space. From there I add more dots and start creating shapes. I'm better at this than drawing on paper. As I gain experience with the software I'm getting faster and faster at it too.

I'll keep on experimenting. Right now I'm working on different ideas for fronts.

Here's one I did that's basically a reborn Firebird TransAm, but I'm not going to use.

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Here's another one that's close to what I'm currently working on, but again I'm not going to use it.

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With all these experiments I'm doing things that I personally would like; not necessarily trendy or what everyone else might like. Along the way there have been some great suggestions by people contributing in these threads which I've incorporated.

There WILL BE some similarities to things in the past because that's where I grew up ( ) and also, I like some of the cars of the past. Should a songwriter stop writing because somebody already used that chord once? Should a painter not paint because somebody already used that color once? There's bound to be similarities because we still have 4 wheels, engine up front, windshield, side windows, rear window, a roof, outside mirrors, lights in the front, rear and sides, and a boat load of regulations that have to be complied with. Those are all things from the "past" and they haven't gone away. Designers have to work with all those elements today just like they did in the past, so it's not surprising there might be some similarities in designs.

I like sleek, elegant, classy, beautiful and timeless. It seems most of the muscle car crowd doesn't... they want to drive HULK SMASH. I'll keep experimenting and posting the ones I think are worth looking at. If you guys keep posting suggestions and ideas for changes, perhaps together we can come up with something that might actually help the Camaro design team with some useful ideas.
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Still doesn't scream Pony car or Camaro to me but it doesn't look bad Doc keep it up though I look forward to see what tweaks and stuff u do to it
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definitely not a bad start. The biggest issue I see for this as a Camaro concept, is the fact that it looks too short. by short, I mean length wise, front to back. should be a 2+2 car. I know the rear is not really useful to most adults, but having the little bit of room there would help with the proportion. which would obviously make the doors larger, like they are now. Also, the length of the front of the car is too short. need a longer hood. and of course might require the width of the car to be bigger.

I didn't read the thread really, but I just glimpsed at the last post, about CAFE rules. I'm not familiar with what rules they set, other than emissions, depending on the size of the vehicle.

That's just my thoughts on this concept. it doesn't really say Camaro, but more of a small sports coupe. in the line of a br-z or the same class as the other cars that were posted. which, not saying in 2020, that's what the Camaro would turn into, but if so, i'll probably be looking for another car. lol
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Sorry man. All I said was it looked like a '95 NSX and supplied a picture. I never degraded your drawings or said they looked like big, throbbing donkey C*CK. If you're going to take the time to create 637 drawings amongst 47 different threads (like you have), learn to accept criticism and others' opinions. Again, take notice I NEVER criticized your drawing. I only compared it. Keep going with them. It's interesting and you enjoy making them.
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Too small to be a Camaro? Do you realize what the CAFE requirements are going to be doing to car design in the very near future? I don't actually like that design/render that was posted on the front page of the site. I wouldn't buy a car that looked like that. But that's just my opinion and I don't bash/trash the guy who created it just because it's not what I want to see. I encouraged him to keep going and keep developing ideas.

I'm not upset if people don't like what I'm doing; what upsets me is when they don't read the thread and make useless posts as a result. I've clearly stated what I would like people to do if they don't like what they see and you've done it. Say why; give constructive feedback as to what you'd like to see changed.

I'm quite aware of current "trends" and I've been deliberately staying away from most of them. I'm not designing a narcissist-mobile. Considering what some of these "old designs" go for in auctions nowadays I don't see being influenced by past designs as a bad thing. The 5th gen is so successful because they absolutely nailed the essence of the look and feel of a late 1960's Camaro.

I'm experimenting. These concepts literally start with a single dot in the middle of empty space. From there I add more dots and start creating shapes. I'm better at this than drawing on paper. As I gain experience with the software I'm getting faster and faster at it too.

I'll keep on experimenting. Right now I'm working on different ideas for fronts.

Here's one I did that's basically a reborn Firebird TransAm, but I'm not going to use.

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Here's another one that's close to what I'm currently working on, but again I'm not going to use it.

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With all these experiments I'm doing things that I personally would like; not necessarily trendy or what everyone else might like. Along the way there have been some great suggestions by people contributing in these threads which I've incorporated.

There WILL BE some similarities to things in the past because that's where I grew up ( ) and also, I like some of the cars of the past. Should a songwriter stop writing because somebody already used that chord once? Should a painter not paint because somebody already used that color once? There's bound to be similarities because we still have 4 wheels, engine up front, windshield, side windows, rear window, a roof, outside mirrors, lights in the front, rear and sides, and a boat load of regulations that have to be complied with. Those are all things from the "past" and they haven't gone away. Designers have to work with all those elements today just like they did in the past, so it's not surprising there might be some similarities in designs.

I like sleek, elegant, classy, beautiful and timeless. It seems most of the muscle car crowd doesn't... they want to drive HULK SMASH. I'll keep experimenting and posting the ones I think are worth looking at. If you guys keep posting suggestions and ideas for changes, perhaps together we can come up with something that might actually help the Camaro design team with some useful ideas.
Do you realize that CAFE regulations mainly impact the bulk of what a car company sells? Hence why GM was forced to come out with cars like the Cruze and still sell thousands of 3800 pound 10 MPG V8 monsters. Cafe is calculated based off the total average of what a company sells.
So your argument against mine about size based off Cafe is moot. I'll reiterate, the Camaro cannot be a small 2 seater sports car for the reasons I previously listed.

"I'm quite aware of current "trends" and I've been deliberately staying away from most of them. I'm not designing a narcissist-mobile. Considering what some of these "old designs" go for in auctions nowadays I don't see being influenced by past designs as a bad thing. "

That is fine but then you should expect the vast majority of people to dislike your design to be a future Camaro design. Had you just said "Here is my rendering for a potential future GM sports car", you would get a somewhat better reaction. The fact is that it just doesn't work as a Camaro. If you're going to call it a Camaro then it needs to at least have the basics which it does not.

"The 5th gen is so successful because they absolutely nailed the essence of the look and feel of a late 1960's Camaro."
Yes but it doesn't look old like a 67 it looks like a 2010 catch my drift?

"With all these experiments I'm doing things that I personally would like; not necessarily trendy or what everyone else might like."

Then you really need to not get upset when people bash your design. Its a casual internet forum, you aren't always going to get back essays on what your design is. Fact is people will look at the images, not read anything, then post their opinion. If you can't deal with that, and these are as you said for you personally, why even post them?
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