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Old 12-04-2014, 03:24 PM   #1
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Mark Reuss - 6th gen Camaro weight "not going to be heavier"

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Motortrend: You brought up the recent ponycar comparisons. How fair is it for us to compare your current, mature Camaro to the all-new EcoBoost Mustang? I remember when Camaro first came out and we were pretty critical of it, and to your credit, your team fixed a lot of things very quickly. What does this say about the next-generation Camaro? Will it come out of the gates swinging or need some time to mature?

Mark Reuss: No. It's not going to need any of that. And that's the maturity that I think we have as a company, from the engineering talent and execution standpoint. The first-gen Camaro was a bit of a tortured birth because the architecture was something that was sort of loosely based on Zeta at the time but then brought into the United States, and we made a Camaro out of it -- off of a concept car that wasn't completely architected yet.

Flip over to what we're going to next on Camaro. The next-gen Camaro I can tell you after driving it extensively and then taking it onto the autobahn and Nurburgring in Germany a week before last -- that car out of the gate, the SS version, with a great powertrain -- which you can imagine what that might be -- off a very mature and exclusive architecture, is not going to be heavier. There is some physics here. Look at what some of the competition did on their next-gen -- it's heavier; it doesn't quite perform as well as the last one. I can tell you that. If you think about Z/28 and ZL1, SS -- think about the satisfaction that a ZL1 offers you today off of current Zeta. Think about that satisfaction moved down from an accessibility and model-range standpoint. Think about that. If you like the ZL1 today, you're going to love the SS tomorrow. Think about that from a philosophical standpoint.
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Old 12-04-2014, 03:31 PM   #2
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YESYESYESYESYESYES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was ironic timing! I was just discussing weight!
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Old 12-04-2014, 03:31 PM   #3
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Look at what some of the competition did on their next-gen -- it's heavier; it doesn't quite perform as well as the last one. I can tell you that. If you think about Z/28 and ZL1, SS -- think about the satisfaction that a ZL1 offers you today off of current Zeta. Think about that satisfaction moved down from an accessibility and model-range standpoint. Think about that. If you like the ZL1 today, you're going to love the SS tomorrow. Think about that from a philosophical standpoint.

That statement right there is huge. It makes me very excited for the next generation.
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Old 12-04-2014, 04:04 PM   #5
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Thanks for posting. Nice find.

This is really really good news. We have just confirmed the camaro is at least not putting any weight on. For him to state that, this means it will instead loose some. Whether it will be 1lb or 100lb is uncertain. But it's not getting fatter. That was probably the most inportant aspect of the new camaro.

This is nice.. I already feel better for the future camaro now. Thanks GM

Is it just me or is he saying that the base 6gen SS will have current 5gen ZL1 performance levels? That would be pretty amazing.
With much less horsepower in an LT1 v8 compared to the LSA v8, this means the weight will have to drop significantly to offset the lack of LSA power. Thats 110hp less the new camaro will have to suffice with yet still be as fast or faster than the ZL1.

Exciting times
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Old 12-04-2014, 04:37 PM   #6
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The next-gen Camaro I can tell you after driving it extensively and then taking it onto the autobahn and Nurburgring in Germany a week before last -- that car out of the gate, the SS version, with a great powertrain -- which you can imagine what that might be -- off a very mature and exclusive architecture, is not going to be heavier. There is some physics here. Look at what some of the competition did on their next-gen -- it's heavier; it doesn't quite perform as well as the last one. I can tell you that. If you think about Z/28 and ZL1, SS -- think about the satisfaction that a ZL1 offers you today off of current Zeta. Think about that satisfaction moved down from an accessibility and model-range standpoint. Think about that. If you like the ZL1 today, you're going to love the SS tomorrow. Think about that from a philosophical standpoint.
This is very bold talk. Reuss is basically promising that the performance of the new SS will be on par with the current ZL1. If true, that's really amazing. And, indeed, this would be a HUGE leap forward in what he refers to as "an accessibility and model-range standpoint." Think about that... the SS retails for what? $34K? Compared to $55K for the ZL1?

Not totally sure what Reuss means by "some physics," but I suppose that he's referring to the smaller, lighter platform. Thoughts?
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Old 12-04-2014, 05:14 PM   #7
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Sounds good, bring it on. I'm ready to see that bad boy C6 Camaro.
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Old 12-04-2014, 05:37 PM   #8
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I don't think anybody whose been following the performance side of GM the past few years should expect anything less than a knockout from the next Camaro.
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Old 12-04-2014, 05:54 PM   #9
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For an LT1 equipped SS to outperform a current ZL1 would take a very significant weight loss to achieve. I'm sure somebody on here could do the math. If he means around a road course it wouldn't take much as the 1LE isn't too far behind considering the HP differential. If he means an SS can beat a ZL1 on the strip that is a very powerful statement. Exciting times!
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Old 12-04-2014, 06:54 PM   #10
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Boy, I'm really ready now. Bring on the Gen 6 convertible SS.
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Old 12-04-2014, 07:01 PM   #11
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ZL1 = 4120 lbs / 580 HP = 7.1 lbs/HP

LT1 450 HP x 7.1 lbs/HP = 3,200 lbs to be equal

That's not going to happen so...

Performance improvements come from reduced weight and 8 speed auto traction management

Or

"Satisfaction" equal to ZL1 means handling. Ie track times

I LOVE the direct Chevy has taken!!! Yes sir...
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Old 12-04-2014, 07:19 PM   #12
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I don't take his statement to mean an SS will take down the ZL1. I take it as the SS will be a big step in performance like the ZL1 was.
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Think about that (ZL1) satisfaction moved down from an accessibility and model-range standpoint (SS)
Depends on what the meaning of satisfaction is.

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If you think about Z/28 and ZL1, SS... Think about that satisfaction moved down... Think about that from a philosophical standpoint
Sounds to me like Z/28 and ZL1 levels of performance are moving into 1LE and SS price range
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Old 12-04-2014, 07:45 PM   #14
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He never said that the new SS would 'take down' the current ZL1. No one should expect the new SS to eat the old ZL1 for breakfast. However, Reuss does pretty strongly imply that the new SS will offer COMPARABLE performance to the current ZL1 when he makes this statement:

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Think about that satisfaction moved down from an accessibility and model-range standpoint. Think about that. If you like the ZL1 today, you're going to love the SS tomorrow.
I don't know how else to take that other than to pretty much expect the new SS to be on par with the outgoing ZL1.
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Old 12-04-2014, 08:07 PM   #15
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Having the same Satisfaction of driving a zl1 doesn't mean its going to be as fast as a zl1.
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Old 12-04-2014, 09:57 PM   #16
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Sooo does this mean the SS will cost considerably more??
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The 6th gen Camaro SS will be available with Magnetic Ride Control ...
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Old 12-05-2014, 01:26 AM   #18
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A new LT4 in a lighter platform with upgraded computer controls and 8 speed transmission while it may not technically be faster than the current ZL1 I do fully believe that GM is about to make a quantum leap forward to make the next gen SS close enough to be a drivers race. As a current ZL1 owner all I can say is bring it on because every time I think of doing some mods I think about the next gen and the current Z06 hitting the streets and maybe I'll just hold off a bit and see what GM has up their sleeves.
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Old 12-05-2014, 03:05 AM   #19
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I think that if we really want to make an educated guess, we should really analyze the roll out of the Corvette Stingray, in terms of engineering vs the C6.

The base car, while not as powerful as the Z06, performed very close to the Z06 in track times, and acceleration, and exceeded it on the skid pad IIRC.

If I look at it like that, I see the 6th Gen getting the LT1, with perhaps 450HP. I think the real difference is going to be architecture, suspension, and materials. If based on the CTS, it probably won't lose any size, and may lose a few pounds, but I wouldn't say it will be significant loss. I think it will just flat out drive better. I imagine it will see a 7 spd manual with rev match, or the 8 spd auto. Of course it will have DOD, on both, it'll have to, really.

Price wise, I suspect all versions will be pretty close to what they are now.

But of course this all a WAG on my part.
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Old 12-05-2014, 08:17 AM   #21
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So what he's saying is basically the next gen SS will be comparable to our current gen ZL1's. I like it
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Old 12-05-2014, 11:07 AM   #22
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So what he's saying is basically the next gen SS will be comparable to our current gen ZL1's. I like it
I think all he is basically telling you is that MRC will happen on the SS. Also, the ZL1 is VERY well balanced car, it does everything right. I would assume the next SS will possess those same traits.

You guys that are taking his statement as literal one, as in the SS will perform equally to or better than a ZL1, are gonna be let down.
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wow...this is pretty cool stuff! I love it!

That said, I think a few of you might be taking his statement a bit too far...

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I don't take his statement to mean an SS will take down the ZL1. I take it as the SS will be a big step in performance like the ZL1 was.
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Depends on what the meaning of satisfaction is.

Sounds to me like Z/28 and ZL1 levels of performance are moving into 1LE and SS price range
I would definitely not expect Z/28 levels of performance in the next 1LE (at least not at current 1LE prices)

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Having the same Satisfaction of driving a zl1 doesn't mean its going to be as fast as a zl1.
Exactly.

I have no doubt, that with a weight loss, the LT1, and an 8 speed transmission, the next SS is going to be a KILLER car. It should be utterly amazing.

I think that is what he is saying...comparing generation to generation and describing how much better of a driving experience the 6th gen will be compared to the last generation. While I could certainly see a combination like the one I described above as being a low to mid 12s car easily in the 1/4, I wouldn't expect straight line ZL1 domination by any means.

This also means that the base cars (V6 and/or turbo 4) should also be a great drivers car, and that is fantastic. But what else should we expect honestly? Look at the rave reviews about how the drives and handles.
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Can not wait!!!!
Well, it certainly can't be heavier, most certainly should be much lighter in keeping with the tradition of a true sports car. At least GM is on the right track.
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I think that is what he is saying...comparing generation to generation and describing how much better of a driving experience the 6th gen will be compared to the last generation. While I could certainly see a combination like the one I described above as being a low to mid 12s car easily in the 1/4, I wouldn't expect straight line ZL1 domination by any means
Chevy claimed 11.93 for the ZL1 and the average of all magazine is 12.10 @ 117.7 mph (thanks MEDISIN). What you describe is in the ballpark.

I don't see the 1LE or SS equalling the Z/28 or ZL1 either but I also don't think Mark Reuss was vague in implying the gap will narrow. The gen5 kings have a level of high end content that make them repeatable. Perhaps "experience" means near levels but less professional grade

I enjoyed his veiled gab at the new Stang being heavier and performing poorer than the outgoing model. Then stating Chevy has matured as a company from an engineering and execution standpoint. Chevy learned a lot with gen5 so gen6 is going to hit the mark dead on
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