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Old 03-25-2015, 09:00 AM   #1
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LT1, 460 HP Confirmed for the 2016 Camaro SS

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Chevrolet made it official last week when it finally admitted the Camaro will be powered by a 460-horse, direct-injected 6.2L LT1—the same basic LT1 that debuted in the C7 Corvette Stingray. However, 20 percent of the Camaro LT1 has been specifically tailored to fit the sixth-gen. Camaro’s packaging. That includes a special tri-Y exhaust manifold.
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Old 03-25-2015, 09:05 AM   #2
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Wouldn't say this is confirmed. the LT1 is, but that article is assuming it will have the same hp as the vette. GM hasn't released any info about the LT1 in the Camaro yet.
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Old 03-25-2015, 09:09 AM   #3
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Vette guys would be unhappy that a Camaro had the same power...
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Vette guys would be unhappy that a Camaro had the same power...
Yes, and I don't think GM would do that. Even if the two cars had the same power, they would rate it lower.
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Vette guys would be unhappy that a Camaro had the same power...
That has always been the conventional wisdom but the game has changed in recent years. For example, just look at the ZL1 versus a C6 when it was released. The C7 has a lot more to offer than just its HP rating and the muscle car war is nuclear these days. Obviously they do not want the Camaro to outperform the C7 but even if all things are equal there is no risk of that simply due to weight if nothing else. Based on some of the conversations I have had and things I have heard I have a feeling GM is really looking to make a statement with the 6th Gen, not just build a Mustang competitor with a bow tie on it. I wouldn't be surprised if they rate it the same or maybe 5hp less so they can drop a 30hp and 60 lb-ft of torque advantage over over the Mustang GT.
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That has always been the conventional wisdom but the game has changed in recent years. For example, just look at the ZL1 versus a C6 when it was released. The C7 has a lot more to offer than just its HP rating and the muscle car war is nuclear these days. Obviously they do not want the Camaro to outperform the C7 but even if all things are equal there is no risk of that simply due to weight if nothing else. Based on some of the conversations I have had and things I have heard I have a feeling GM is really looking to make a statement with the 6th Gen, not just build a Mustang competitor with a bow tie on it. I wouldn't be surprised if they rate it the same or maybe 5hp less so they can drop a 30hp and 60 lb-ft of torque advantage over over the Mustang GT.
This.

It's still just a rumor until you see it in print on Chevy's website.
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Old 03-25-2015, 09:59 AM   #8
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Wouldn't say this is confirmed. the LT1 is, but that article is assuming it will have the same hp as the vette. GM hasn't released any info about the LT1 in the Camaro yet.
It's very possible it will be detuned, but also possible that the 2016 Vette version gets a bump in HP.
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Old 03-25-2015, 10:12 AM   #9
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That has always been the conventional wisdom but the game has changed in recent years. For example, just look at the ZL1 versus a C6 when it was released. The C7 has a lot more to offer than just its HP rating and the muscle car war is nuclear these days. Obviously they do not want the Camaro to outperform the C7 but even if all things are equal there is no risk of that simply due to weight if nothing else. Based on some of the conversations I have had and things I have heard I have a feeling GM is really looking to make a statement with the 6th Gen, not just build a Mustang competitor with a bow tie on it. I wouldn't be surprised if they rate it the same or maybe 5hp less so they can drop a 30hp and 60 lb-ft of torque advantage over over the Mustang GT.
What are you referring to by the ZL1 and C6?



GM confirmed the LT1 but there hasn't been any statements on the power rating.
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Old 03-25-2015, 10:14 AM   #10
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Hopefully they don't de tune it. If they do it can't be much of a difference surely, they wil give us more HP than the LS3 made..
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The LS3 is almost the exact same HP as the C6 corvette. I don't see why they would care if it's the same, the Camaro will be way heavier and slower.
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What are you referring to by the ZL1 and C6?
Prior to the ZL1 there was an unspoken rule that the Camaro couldn't have more power than the Vette. Throughout the years there are numerous examples of the Camaro having the same engine/drive train as the Vette yet the power numbers were rated lower. Then the ZL1 came along to fight the GT500 and for the first time you could get a Camaro that had more power than the Vette and at a similar price point. Now that that barrier has been broken I don't see why there would be any need to rate the Camaro lower anymore. The C7 is truly a world class sports car and has a lot more to offer than just it's HP rating.
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The LS3 is almost the exact same HP as the C6 corvette. I don't see why they would care if it's the same, the Camaro will be way heavier and slower.
Yep, the LS3 in the C6 was rated at 430. So maybe the LT1 will remain no more than 1% less.
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Yep, the LS3 in the C6 was rated at 430. So maybe the LT1 will remain no more than 1% less.
I think this will be the case. Less, but not by much. The ZL1 comments are valid, but the regular SS will be still much less than a Vette, so I think they will want it to have a bit less power.
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Old 03-25-2015, 11:47 AM   #15
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Prior to the ZL1 there was an unspoken rule that the Camaro couldn't have more power than the Vette. Throughout the years there are numerous examples of the Camaro having the same engine/drive train as the Vette yet the power numbers were rated lower. Then the ZL1 came along to fight the GT500 and for the first time you could get a Camaro that had more power than the Vette and at a similar price point. Now that that barrier has been broken I don't see why there would be any need to rate the Camaro lower anymore. The C7 is truly a world class sports car and has a lot more to offer than just it's HP rating.
If you are comparing the ZL1 to a C6 Corvette, the proper model to compare it to is the ZR1, as both models are supercharged. There the Corvette again is at the top of the HP page.
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Old 03-25-2015, 12:07 PM   #16
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Vette guys would be unhappy that a Camaro had the same power...
The Z/28 pretty much broke all of that up. The people who typically buy Vettes don't buy Camaro's, and people who typically buy Camaro's don't buy Vettes.

GM has always worried about one taking market share from the other, when they are in completely different markets in terms of buyer. So a 460 HP LT1 in a Camaro wouldn't be any different than the LS7 in the Z. It isn't like the SS would be as fast as a stock Stingray, even if the power is the same.
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Old 03-25-2015, 12:08 PM   #17
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a version of the lt1 i wonder what that means 456hp?
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I wonder if they are going to make the automatic lose power again....
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What would be cool is if they pulled a dodge say f it and give it 500hp and out power their flagship like the hellcat did to the viper. I know the viper is still faster though, the challenger is so heavy and the charger weighs about as much as an m1 abrams.
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I wonder if they are going to make the automatic lose power again....
LT1 has VVT and AFM with both the stick and auto in the Vette so I doubt it.
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I spoke to a shop manager today, and they are hearing the Camaro will be around 440 hp. I am guessing that will be the manual, and the auto will be lower.
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You guys act like the corvette guys said "whew! The 5th gen Camaro has 4 less hp than us! GM has saved us all!"

It's obvious GM isn't "protecting" the corvette. Not to mention the massive decrease in hp they did when they shoved an LS7 into the camaro
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If you are comparing the ZL1 to a C6 Corvette, the proper model to compare it to is the ZR1, as both models are supercharged. There the Corvette again is at the top of the HP page.
The point was not to compare models. We were discussing how the top tier Camaro has historically been sandbagged because they didn't want it stepping on the Corvette's toes. When the ZL1 came out it was the first time that GM approved a Camaro with more power than the low end of the Corvette. There was no danger of the ZL1 stealing ZR1 sales, the risk was at the bottom end of the Corvette line up.
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LT1 has VVT and AFM with both the stick and auto in the Vette so I doubt it.
Yeah, the reason the auto has a lower power rating now is because it is a different engine. Factory power numbers are at the crank not the rear wheels so the trans is not a factor. With the LT1 there is no need for two different engines so the power numbers should be the same for both. Fuel economy numbers should be a little different though.
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The point was not to compare models. We were discussing how the top tier Camaro has historically been sandbagged because they didn't want it stepping on the Corvette's toes. When the ZL1 came out it was the first time that GM approved a Camaro with more power than the low end of the Corvette. There was no danger of the ZL1 stealing ZR1 sales, the risk was at the bottom end of the Corvette line up.
Agree - but I assume GM allowed this as they had the ZR1 ready to claim top HP model and keep the Camaro at #2 in their HP stable.
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