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Old 01-01-2014, 07:30 PM   #18
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Soooooo..... what do you guys (or gals) think? Does this style work as a Camaro or does it work better as a Mustang?[/QUOTE]

Sorry but it just doesn't work.

Flare out the sides to start but honesty you may be better as starting complete over.
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Old 01-01-2014, 07:44 PM   #19
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Doc, I'm afraid that you might be utilizing an inferior testing ground to get good feedback on your design. Though you preface your post on what to expect, the large majority of people will gleen through your post just to get to the picture and then respond accordingly. As you well know, designs are meant to provoke a reaction, though probably not what you are looking for with this particular one.

I think it's great that you are utilizing you're other and newfound skills, but like anything else one needs to excel in or get better...the more in touch you are with you're audience, the better you can serve them. You certainly have exceptional skills at understanding automotive designs and at learning new skills to translate them to CAD. I enjoy seeing you're projects.
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Old 01-01-2014, 08:01 PM   #20
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I'm not feeling it at all. The nose design leads me to believe that this car would get airborne at around 90mph.
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Old 01-01-2014, 08:29 PM   #21
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You have mid engine proportions in your design.

You have too much Corvette/old Camaro hatch glass on top of those proportions.

I think your sharp features on the side are putting everyone off. It does look Dodge like to me also.

I appreciate the effort. I drew cars years ago and did not have any more technology than a pencil and paper.

Check your proportions if you are going after the Pony car.

If you are going after a Super car look then get rid of the hatch glass. GM did on the C5 Camaro and C7 Corvette.

Don't get discouraged. If you didn't know it, it took guts to put your design up for critique.
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Old 01-01-2014, 09:24 PM   #22
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I wont say it......

I see some Corvair in there...... is there four seat?
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Old 01-01-2014, 10:08 PM   #23
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Old 01-01-2014, 10:14 PM   #24
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Old 01-01-2014, 10:50 PM   #25
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Holy crap

I'm shocked by everyone's comments. But then again I'm sure everyone could do so much better on their own

Hey it's much better than I could ever do so just keep at it. Can you try putting the new Camaro '14 tail lights on it? Also, maybe try the gills from the '69 and 5th Gen to tie it into the Camaro heritage.

I think it's really cool that you are looking forward to what may come and as you stated the '16 is most likely already in the file as far as GM is concerned. And, who says the '20 might not be mid-engined? Keep the images coming, not all of us are going to leave rude comments and shoot down what you are trying.
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Old 01-02-2014, 04:16 AM   #27
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I think I'll just blithely ignore all posts that offer no constructive feedback or even answer the question "Camaro or Mustang". I'm also not going to post any images of any part of the car that still has a lot of work to do so people don't start blowing chunks and getting woozy.

I'll probably do both a Camaro and a Mustang version just for the sake of interest. However at the moment I'm working on it as a Camaro. I've slightly re-proportioned the cabin towards the back which was not an easy task to do with this design. I'm also not entirely opposed to a change in engine location if the Camaro does in fact go mid-engine. People have to realize that the days of the big blocks and hulking monsters are rapidly disappearing. The laws that are being forced on us by our elected so-called representatives are going to require smaller engines in the future. This concept is 2020-forward so everyone should keep in mind what effect the laws are going to have on designs at that time. In fact, if the aristoc...I mean "elected" officials get their way in the future, we won't even be able to control our cars. We'll just sit in them while the government drives it for us.

So.... that being said, here's the latest with changes to the front mostly.

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This front really likes Hugger Orange:

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One of my goals with this design (as was true with my previous effort) is driver visibility. This is the reason why I chose the all-glass back. It's the best solution for visibility. It opens up the cabin and gets rid of the sitting-in-a-cave feeling I've seen people complain about. Forward and side visibility with this design is excellent too. With the new thinner, lighter, stronger glasses that are now available this should be a much better solution than it was in times past.

Although I shouldn't have to say it, apparently it's still necessary to remind everyone that this is a work-in-progress and the images I post reflect that; things can and will change. Other designers generally don't do this and I can definitely see why. Being that as it may I will restrict the images I post to those views that show mostly-finished design.

If you're going to post a comment, fine... just make it constructive. Posts that say "It looks like (whatever)" are useless; don't bother because I don't care. I like to draw upon styling ideas and elements from all kinds of vehicles going back decades because I think beautiful styling is beautiful styling, no matter when it was created. I don't think all previous styling should be abandoned just because it's been done before. If you don't like it, create your own ideas and post them in your own thread so we can see what you think is better.

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Old 01-02-2014, 05:55 AM   #28

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To me I can't answer you question by picking camaro or mustang. It doesn't in any way shape or form speak either one to me. Who knows, in 5 years it may. That will depend on where the real designers of these two lead us.
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Old 01-02-2014, 08:30 AM   #29

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The way I see it , and to my eyes what jumps to me at first glance is the breaking lines front to back
The visual rake line deeps right at the A pilar , kind of a deep point in there , then it rises as it moves to the front .
Maybe is it just stay on a strait continuos line , or it may jut waive along up and down as the oceans waives or the rolling hills that we can find all over in the natural mountains around North Cal

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Old 01-02-2014, 08:30 AM   #30
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Hey Doc,

Try flattening the hood instead of curving it downward. I believe this will add some height to the grille and raise it a bit as well. Also, try bringing the left and right sides of the tail closer together to give it that "tightened" look. I think if you do this, it will look more "muscle".

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Old 01-02-2014, 08:34 AM   #31
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I am sorry Doc, I don't have anything nice to say...nor do I have the skills to do any better!

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Old 01-02-2014, 08:36 AM   #32
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I have lurked in your two threads for a little while now and you ask for constructive criticism...I truly agree that it was you need.
I come from a design background and can tell you that what may be constricting you a bit is drawing. For every design that I created I made at least 20 or more thumbnail sketches, from those I chose the best 3 to 5 and refined them. This had me define more of what I was looking for, by no means the finished product. After that I chose 2 or 3 that truly had the basis of what I wanted, and only then did i place it into a digital format (and normally 2d first). The first is a digital rough, blocky and unrefined. But i would then take those three and after seeing the digital roughs sided by side, decide on which one I would create. By then it had taken on a life of its own. I truly feel this may be the part of the process that is holding you back.
Every design process is done in this way; many, many steps until digital. Reason being is that you are constrained by the small box that you place the digital image in and thus less creativity comes forth. Trust me I tried.
**In another thread you mention cartoony comic book cars, I get what your saying, but that is the beginning, the ideas, the brainstorming, the refining all before it becomes digital and tangible.**
I think you are at the cusp of what you could design. Your other concept, I was not fond of only because it seemed as though it drew from multiple other cars, kind of like a Frankenstein, but with that said, it was a triumph in the aspect of learning the software, a bit about the design aspect and hopefully a way to take criticism and be humble. Remember as 1 man builds it, hundreds will try to tear it down.
With this one, I like the fact that you looked elsewhere such as the P-51 mustang for inspiration, just be careful about being too literal in "retro" translation. Also an idea is to look towards nature, for your ideas as well. Nature is the perfect designer for a reason, hence why we rely on it for so many of the designs and items we have today. I think you are on the right track to inspire yourself and others, I just think you are missing the first steps and diving right into the computer cause its the real fun part as you see it fleshed out in reality.
As for this car, I don't really see a solid Mustang or Camaro. What I do see is a lot more pieces parts from other cars again. Not that its not a great effort, it just needs that bit of charisma and personality to be one of those two cars, something found in the beginning stages of design. Also, let the comments of others enhance your ideas, not influence your direction. Some will like it, some will not, it is a rare bird when everyone loves it! I mean the gen 4 Camaro body style was originally supposed to be a corvette and the ford probe was intended to be a mustang, neither fit the bill for the original purpose....so don't get hung up on what it should be. design it and if its a Camaro then awesome, if its the DOC ConceptX, then awesome! Remember, Edison made hundreds of electric piles of junk before getting the light bulb!

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Old 01-02-2014, 09:42 AM   #33

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I've observed many of your drawings on here over time and see you're very passionate about design. This one; however, I just don't see any correlation to any American made pony car. To me, it's very far out of the realm of American muscle. It looks more like a combination of an exotic/1970's futuristic concept/rear engine automobile. Good luck!


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Old 01-02-2014, 10:18 AM   #34
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It looks good for a Mustang LOL

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