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Old 11-19-2013, 07:42 PM   #1
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Camaro 2016 with LT1 or TTV6 can be tuned without affecting warranty

Just make my choice even clearer about getting a LT1 2016 Camaro
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On another well known gm forum...seems to be tested and true. Well you have to put the stock tune back of course before driving to the dealer. Maybe I wasnt clear but it doesnt change much anyway.
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Camaro 2016 with LT1 or TTV6 can be tuned without affecting warranty

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On another well known gm forum...seems to be tested and true. Well you have to put the stock tune back of course before driving to the dealer. Maybe I wasnt clear but it doesnt change much anyway.
And what about the flash counter?

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I have to strongly disagree on this one. The 2010 and 2011 V6 with the LLT engine/ Bosch ECU is the only recent engine I know of that shows no evidence of a flash counter and has gone through several warranty issues while tuned without GM voiding the warranty.

The 2012 and up V6s with the LFX, and the L99/LS3 V8s with the Delphi ECU's have a flash counter. The LT1 V8s are similar in many ways the LFX V6 and I believe also use a Delphi unit.

So I'd be shocked if there was no counter on them.

GM has so much torque control programmed in to the LF3 TTV6 that it literally limits throttle input to 50% up to a certain rpm along with many other things to limit torque such as reducing timing. No way GM is OK with someone simple tuning that all out. Surely they are keeping an eye somehow on that kind of thing.
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You have to love titles to threads like these that have zero credibility where the OP has some groundbreaking news. I guess we'll just take his word for it.
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I don't buy this for half of a second. Like GM is going to be cool with some knucklehead getting a programmer and changing all of the parameters. Then when said knucklehead leans out the car and melts it down GM will just warranty it and say "no problem, we will eat your mistake, here is a new engine on us." I call BS.
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http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-t...-review-3.html

That should shut some plp up. Seems pretty legit.
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I don't buy this for half of a second. Like GM is going to be cool with some knucklehead getting a programmer and changing all of the parameters. Then when said knucklehead leans out the car and melts it down GM will just warranty it and say "no problem, we will eat your mistake, here is a new engine on us." I call BS.
Subarus can be tuned without Subaru knowing it.

If plp are stupid enough to lean their car out and make their engine explode, its their problem. There will always be stupid plp.

Ford offers tune for their muscle car and GM dont. GM is beeing pretty harsh with their warranty compared to other company IMO. No need for it. Im pretty happy if someone was smart enough to crack their damn software.

GM stole a lot of plp by selling brand new LS3 cars with a defect oil pump that could fail anytime, and by that time, plp with mods, that were totally unrelated to the oil pump, were blame because they had tune/cam/exhaust/whatever. Do we really need to pity GM?? I dont think so. If they need money, they could sell that China headquarter they built recently.
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I think there is some confusion in this thread that your saying GM is OK with the car being tuned when we all know they are not.

What your actually saying is that the tune can be returned back to stock without GM actually knowing it was tuned.

According to your thread, the tuner is saying there is no flash counter, so if returned back to stock, GM could never tell that the car has been tuned.

This is exactly what I was talking about in my post above. It is possible, and we see the same thing on the LLT V6 engine, but its just really difficult for me to believe GM would not add some kind of safety net to protect themselves for tunes on the LT1 or LF3. Maybe they have others ways of knowing now??

Where did you see it said that the same applies to the LF3 (TTV6)??
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Just because a couple of people nobody has heard of says it doesn't make it true. In that thread it wasn't even the tuner that was stating that it was the customer, not that I would believe the tuner.
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I think there is some confusion in this thread that your saying GM is OK with the car being tuned when we all know they are not.

What your actually saying is that the tune can be returned back to stock without GM actually knowing it was tuned.

According to your thread, the tuner is saying there is no flash counter, so if returned back to stock, GM could never tell that the car has been tuned.

This is exactly what I was talking about in my post above. It is possible, and we see the same thing on the LLT V6 engine, but its just really difficult for me to believe GM would not add some kind of safety net to protect themselves for tunes on the LT1 or LF3. Maybe they have others ways of knowing now??

Where did you see it said that the same applies to the LF3 (TTV6)??


In the thread he posted they said they bypassed the flash counter. No mention of the LF3.
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That should shut some plp up. Seems pretty legit.
I dont think it will shut anyone up because it proves nothing.

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Subarus can be tuned without Subaru knowing it.

If plp are stupid enough to lean their car out and make their engine explode, its their problem. There will always be stupid plp.

Ford offers tune for their muscle car and GM dont. GM is beeing pretty harsh with their warranty compared to other company IMO. No need for it. Im pretty happy if someone was smart enough to crack their damn software.

GM stole a lot of plp by selling brand new LS3 cars with a defect oil pump that could fail anytime, and by that time, plp with mods, that were totally unrelated to the oil pump, were blame because they had tune/cam/exhaust/whatever. Do we really need to pity GM?? I dont think so. If they need money, they could sell that China headquarter they built recently.
Whatever.
Not sure what a Subaru or an oil pump has to do with a car that hasn't even been shown to the public yet, or that anyone is pitying GM, but cool!
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I think there is some confusion in this thread that your saying GM is OK with the car being tuned when we all know they are not.

What your actually saying is that the tune can be returned back to stock without GM actually knowing it was tuned.

According to your thread, the tuner is saying there is no flash counter, so if returned back to stock, GM could never tell that the car has been tuned.

This is exactly what I was talking about in my post above. It is possible, and we see the same thing on the LLT V6 engine, but its just really difficult for me to believe GM would not add some kind of safety net to protect themselves for tunes on the LT1 or LF3. Maybe they have others ways of knowing now??

Where did you see it said that the same applies to the LF3 (TTV6)??
Its really easy to understand and you are playing fools here; GM wil never be ok with tuned car ever. The thing is detecting if the car has been tuned or not.

That beeing said, some other thread specified that the TTV6 tune software was cracked too. If you cannot search for google for good its not my problem. I had to link what google took 5sec to me to find.
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Its really easy to understand and you are playing fools here; GM wil never be ok with tuned car ever. The thing is detecting if the car has been tuned or not.

That beeing said, some other thread specified that the TTV6 tune software was cracked too. If you cannot search for google for good its not my problem. I had to link what google took 5sec to me to find.

I asked a simple question b/c you made it seem like the information was available in the thread you posted (which I went through thank you very much!) and when I didn't see that information I asked.

SHOOT ME!!

Lose the attitude home boy. Your welcome for me clarifying above what your trying to say but can't seem to explain well enough.

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[rant]WTF is a "plp" ???

I wish people would actually use their motor skills for typing out complete sentences instead of looking like a twerking 3rd grader using incoherent texting. English- do you speak it? If so, why can't you type it? It doesn't even have to be proper English. An understandable and complete depiction of your idea will suffice.

Whatever typing style that works on your iPhone makes you appear challenged when you use it in a forum. And then providing a link to a thread that doesn't exist to prove whatever it is you're saying makes you look like you're even further down the IQ chain. Just saying.[/rant]

The majority of the respondents believe you are wrong about LF3 tuning won't be detectable. I happen to agree with them. Come back with some irrefutable proof otherwise, and we'll be happy to see it your way.
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I asked a simple question b/c you made it seem like the information was available in the thread you posted (which I went through thank you very much!) and when I didn't see that information I asked.

SHOOT ME!!

Lose the attitude home boy. Your welcome for me clarifying above what your trying to say but can't seem to explain well enough.

Geez.
I didnt mean to have any attitude. Justa wanna share good news. Believe what yoy wanna beleive.maybe I should have said; sorry but maybe, but maybe the lt1 camaro is gonna be like the lt1 vette and theres a sponsor here that cracked the dang software. What ever, mod should close this thread,( I'll be back with a new lihnk thread when PFADT tune another LT1 Vette).
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[rant]WTF is a "plp" ???

I wish people would actually use their motor skills for typing out complete sentences instead of looking like a twerking 3rd grader using incoherent texting. English- do you speak it? If so, why can't you type it? It doesn't even have to be proper English. An understandable and complete depiction of your idea will suffice.

Whatever typing style that works on your iPhone makes you appear challenged when you use it in a forum. And then providing a link to a thread that doesn't exist to prove whatever it is you're saying makes you look like you're even further down the IQ chain. Just saying.[/rant]

The majority of the respondents believe you are wrong about LF3 tuning won't be detectable. I happen to agree with them. Come back with some irrefutable proof otherwise, and we'll be happy to see it your way.

Ok, maybe you sir are right. First, english is not my first language and yes when when I type from my android I might look dumb. You got me. PLP meant 'people'. Second, I don't have any motoring skills by the way(BTW), except the DIY'ers skills, which is great IMO, IIRC, just my .02, FYI.

Yeah, maybe the thread was deleted because the OP was BS'ing about a sponsor and he was full of it, but I do not know what is the real story.

The big news here is this one;

PFADT CRACKED THE GM SOFTWARE, FROM WHAT THEY SAY IN THIS THREAD; THERES A GUY SAYING IT HAS BEEN CHECKED AT A DEALER AND THE TUNED CANNOT BE DETECTED WHEN PUTTING THE TUNE BACK TO STOCK, NO RECORD. True story about ATS too. ( from the thread, not me, of course ).

Its internet, it can be false all the way. I just thought it was true because a major shop/sponsor said it, sorry.

Like I said, believe what you want, I'm just sharing what I read.

Another good thread; http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-t...to-ship-5.html

Call PFADT and tell me.
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Just because a couple of people nobody has heard of says it doesn't make it true. In that thread it wasn't even the tuner that was stating that it was the customer, not that I would believe the tuner.
Yes maybe its all BS, I'm just sharing this...hope its true.
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Shift into reverse, check.
Back up sensors on, check.
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Like I said, believe what you want, I'm just sharing what I read.

Another good thread; http://forums.corvetteforum.com/c7-t...to-ship-5.html

Call PFADT and tell me.
Well...PFADT certain says the tune can't be detected if removed and tuned back to stock.

If thats true that is incredibly awesome news since a tune is so dang effective on the LT1.

I still can't help but wonder if the LT1 is keeping track of tunes some other way, but heck I don't know. Guess we won't know until someone has to being in a formerly tuned car for major repairs.
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I find it hard to believe. A lot of manufacturers, especially Ford with their copperhead pcm can see the date the last time and how many key cycles since previous flash. You'd also have P1000 tripped passively until you ran the vehicle with enough miles to reset it.
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I think all software can be cracked, just ask NSA! But when the dealer can tell me the problem occured at 22 mph on wed at 2 pm, it's (the software hack) gotta be well done..
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I think all software can be cracked, just ask NSA! But when the dealer can tell me the problem occured at 22 mph on wed at 2 pm, it's (the software hack) gotta be well done..
Exactly. It's not that it can't be cracked. It's being cracked and leaving no trace that you were ever there.
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