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Old 08-22-2013, 02:45 PM   #222
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I like every thing but the grill this looks good and with the rear spoiler great touch
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Old 08-22-2013, 03:19 PM   #223
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Its a nice looking car, but I dont think it advances the Camaro design. I dont think it is bold or aggressive enough. This car looks alot like concepts that were on the internet before 2006. This car also reminds me of a Corvair (I dont mean that as an insult like some may think) with its rounded c-pillar and the way the backlight flows into the trunk. Theres no way the 2016 camaro will look like this in my opinion. But you have created a cool looking car !
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Old 08-22-2013, 04:24 PM   #224
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Its a nice looking car, but I dont think it advances the Camaro design. I dont think it is bold or aggressive enough. This car looks alot like concepts that were on the internet before 2006. This car also reminds me of a Corvair (I dont mean that as an insult like some may think) with its rounded c-pillar and the way the backlight flows into the trunk. Theres no way the 2016 camaro will look like this in my opinion. But you have created a cool looking car !
It does advance the Camaro design; if you're looking for a sleeker, cleaner, refinement. If you're looking for comic book/movie car dramatic looks with gimmicky cutouts, curves and bulges then no; this does not go in that direction. It's actually bolder and more aggressive than you think. If this were a real car sitting next to a 5th gen, you'd see the more purposeful road GT look which is what I was going for here; an evolution of the Camaro from just a 1/4 mile standing start car, into a much more capable design. A car that's not just fast in a straight line but continues to dominate when the road curves. This car not only feasts on Mustangs, it adds BMW's to the menu.

Corvairs were great and got screwed IMO by gotcha, sensationalized bad press that vastly over-dramatized what was fixable and wound up killing what otherwise was a pretty good car.

It's going to depend a lot on what they're thinking at GM. After seeing the refresh where details were smoothed out going for a cleaner look; bulges flattened (front grill area) for a sleeker look, it may just be the direction they're looking to go in for the 6th gen. They want to keep that 40% marketshare and that includes male/female and a wide range of ages. They can't go too aggressive/bold or they risk alienating a lot of that 40%.

I think they're going to stay somewhat on the conservative side so what I've designed fits that but keep in mind rules #1 and #2: Rule #1. You can't please everybody. Rule #2. When you think you have a great design, see rule #1. 60% of the market isn't going to like this but that's okay if you have the other 40%; you're making money and can survive.
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Old 08-23-2013, 10:02 PM   #225
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Here's the base model; no SS, no aero package, no red side stripe, no white letter tires. This has a couple of revisions the other models have now: I fixed the lower body in the front passenger corner on the perspective view; it stuck out too far compared to the side view. I also have a better running light design in the front.
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Even as the base model this car has that classy road GT look which is exactly what I was going for. The SS and aero package gives it more of a racecar look which is what it's supposed to do.

Top view is almost done; starting to work on back view.
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Old 08-25-2013, 12:39 AM   #228
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Here's a preliminary top view. Not the most exciting view but part of the set of "views". Here I've drawn an idea I had for the hood vents. These are in black so they're visible but they could also be body colored. The idea here is these are normally closed and sealed so if the car is sitting in the rain, snow or being washed there's no issue of what to do with water going down into the engine compartment.

These would be controlled by the throttle so the more you push the throttle, the more they open up. At idle they can be either closed or barely open which is a programming option. I envision them being pulled down in the front to open up the engine bay for air pressure release and heat extraction. If you blip the throttle, they would open and close accordingly. They are controlled by the computer so they could also automatically close when it's raining or have the option of driver control where you simply either have them closed, or if going on the track you could have them stay full open.
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Here are 4 style variations for back ends.

Back A is basically the same as a previous design early in this thread. Back B has a style that echoes the front grill styling, and moves the backup lights down to the black bar that crosses the license plate area. Both A and B have smaller winglets and a wider trunk lid between them. A and B have the round tail lights inspired by the 1970 Camaro.

Back C changes the styling to thin and wide, and uses tail lights that are heritage inspired from the 67-69 years. The black bar with the reverse lights is separated by the license plate area. Back D is similar to C but removes the vertical center line in the tail lights to be slightly more modern yet still has heritage inspiration. The black bar goes right to the edge of the license plate area. Both C and D have wider winglets than A and B, and the trunk lid width is reduced accordingly.
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Getting down to cleaner and simpler. Got the perspective views of the new wheels done. For these two I actually lowered the top rear fender to smooth out the transition from front to back; going for the NASA/fighter jet look. On view D1 I put the arch back in the rear wheel well and moved up the side marker lights, CAMARO and red accent line appropriately. I also took out the front running light bars in the grill and made them round.

For view D2 it still has the previous version of the side except that I lowered the top rear fender like view D1. I experimented with some different elements in the front; I kept the stylized running lights in the upper grill but took out the bar lights in the brake cooling ducts and made the fog lights yellow.

Right now I'm kinda liking the front of D2 but with the rear wheel well and side of D1. The side of D1 has a heftier look to it.

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Revisions and variations. I've corrected several of the body lines based on the side view and made some variations. The winglets are now the correct height. I've added a beveled edge to the back "cutout". I changed the license plate area from a closed cutout to a cut "in" where it cuts in from the body starting at the bottom of the license plate recess.

I still have more work to do on body dimensions and look; doing top, side and back views lets you see issues with design, dimensions and placement that enable you to correct or redesign. That's all in the works.
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A little background philosophy behind the intentions and thinking of this design. I'm deliberately avoiding the Japanese anime, comic book, "extreme" movie car look. If you look at the concept cars from EVERY other company they're ALL doing that kind of look in their concept vehicles. The problem with that is, if EVERYBODY is trying to look extreme, nothing winds up looking extreme... too much "me too" going on so it quickly loses its impact and looks common, gets boring and is stamped all over with the word "trendy".

My intention is to consciously, deliberately avoid all that and design a car that #1, looks like an American design; not something from a foreign design studio, and #2, I want it to look like a Camaro... period. I want it to instantly have that identity recognition that when you see it on the road there's absolutely no mistake what you're looking at.

In order to do that there has to be some design/style elements carried over from the heritage styling. This means no exotic batman movie car gimmicks with ridiculously over-designed bulges, cutouts, fake scoops, etc. that have absolutely no real function.

The Camaro was always a clean design. Yes it had some "fake" elements like the gills on the side that weren't real and on the 5th gen, the mail slot in the front, but overall it was a clean design. My goal is to take that further and eliminate any fake vents, scoops, etc. so that if it's there, it's real and has a real function; so the side scoops are real and the hood vents are real and work. I'm deliberately going for that "clean" look which I feel is part of the Camaro heritage/identity. That's why I'm trying to keep the shapes and styling simple, pure and elegant. I want this design to still be beautiful 40 years from now; just like the heritage Camaros are today.

That's the reasoning behind this design and why I'm doing it. I criticized the Camaro design team for what they did on the refresh (which I still don't like) but I also wanted to put something on the table as a contribution to what I see as more or less a team effort. As far as I know the Camaro is about the only car/project that has such a great team that cares about it's customer base to the extent that they actually seek input/feedback and incorporate it into the Camaro; making it essentially a team effort between them and all of us. I think that's great and I don't want to just criticize without offering something positive and constructive to do my "part" of being on the team. Maybe that's being presumptuous on my part but that's my take on all of it.
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Here are 4 style variations for back ends.

Back A is basically the same as a previous design early in this thread. Back B has a style that echoes the front grill styling, and moves the backup lights down to the black bar that crosses the license plate area. Both A and B have smaller winglets and a wider trunk lid between them. A and B have the round tail lights inspired by the 1970 Camaro.

Back C changes the styling to thin and wide, and uses tail lights that are heritage inspired from the 67-69 years. The black bar with the reverse lights is separated by the license plate area. Back D is similar to C but removes the vertical center line in the tail lights to be slightly more modern yet still has heritage inspiration. The black bar goes right to the edge of the license plate area. Both C and D have wider winglets than A and B, and the trunk lid width is reduced accordingly.
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B baby uncle Bobby B. B is my favorite except with bigger winglets, it mimics the front somewhat and the reverse light indent will mimic the ss side.
A fan letter poured in! Okay, here ya go... B with bigger winglets, correct rear window size and other upgrades and corrections.
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If I had to pick a rear end...it would probably be C. None are really talking to me loudly though.

I just can't take the small round tail lights. Don't hate me lol. Maybe if they were bigger, and slightly offset.
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If I had to pick a rear end...it would probably be C. None are really talking to me loudly though.

I just can't take the small round tail lights. Don't hate me lol. Maybe if they were bigger, and slightly offset.
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Alrighty then, how about a version of C?
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