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Old 06-12-2013, 11:20 PM   #26
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Absolutely ridiculous thread.

Just lock and delete it already...totally useless.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:24 PM   #27
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So for everyone who has the word "troll" in their post, what you are saying is GM should do nothing about improving quality, while the rest of the manufacturers continue to improve their quality.

Oh, that's brilliant.

That's a great way to see the Camaro discontinued again.

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Old 06-12-2013, 11:25 PM   #28
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Absolutely ridiculous thread.

Just lock and delete it already...totally useless.
Yet you took the time to comment.
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Old 06-12-2013, 11:47 PM   #29
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The Cadillac's are built at the current plant that will build the new Camaro.

Look at some of these and see if the same problems exist.

http://media.gm.com/content/media/us...embly/lgr.html
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/a...nd-River-plant
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only problem i had with my car was the paint issue with the spoiler.....you could not see the chipping at all so i did not even bring it to the dealer
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Old 06-13-2013, 12:53 AM   #31
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The Cadillac's are built at the current plant that will build the new Camaro.

Look at some of these and see if the same problems exist.

http://media.gm.com/content/media/us...embly/lgr.html
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/a...nd-River-plant
I'm glad to hear it will be built in a more modern plant. That's got to help with some of these issues, especially paint.

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Old 06-13-2013, 02:28 AM   #32
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I'm glad to hear it will be built in a more modern plant. That's got to help with some of these issues, especially paint.

Thanks!

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The problem I have with the comments you made in regards to The Stig's is that all of your evidence is basically he/she said. There's no proof to what you have posted other than thread posts with no pictures, except the RJT paint.

The mismatched wheel? No pictures, and only one post, no thread in regards to it.

The misaligned panels?...no pictures, no resolution stated.

The mismatched paint for the RJT 2010? I had that color in that year, it does match under exact lighting and alignment conditions. It's a metallic paint, it shouldn't take a degree in physics to understand that light bends and reflects different colors and brightness depending on the surface.

What I'm getting at is what are you trying to accomplish? Are you REALLY trying to help improve the quality of the cars that GM produces? Or just bash the cars because you've got a grudge against someone/something?

And, what car do you drive anyway?

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Old 06-13-2013, 03:16 AM   #33
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This is my second Gen 5 Camaro. Is it perfect, nope not even close. Is the quality up to snuff to where "I" think it should be? Mmmmm I suppose, for the money it's probably about right. Are things to nit-pick, ah yes. Mis-aligned panels/bumper covers and such do exist, mine had a couple needed sorted and it wasn't a big deal. I can't believe Stig didn't know about the wrong size tire issue with SUKXOSTs 1LE. It's a big forum and lots of people posting issues and complaints. It's bound to happen.

I'm not a troll feeder, just a realist. I'm not bitching or complaining either that's for sure. I'm pretty happy with our previous 12' SS and our current 13' 1LE. There's always room for improvement but in the mean-time keep up the good work GM.
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Old 06-13-2013, 04:04 AM   #34
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+1. He obviously spends lots of time on this site wishing he had a camaro.
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Old 06-13-2013, 06:25 AM   #35
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So for everyone who has the word "troll" in their post, what you are saying is GM should do nothing about improving quality, while the rest of the manufacturers continue to improve their quality.

Oh, that's brilliant.

That's a great way to see the Camaro discontinued again.

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What you are not understanding is that GM is on par with every other high volume, mass produced vehicle. No one is saying that they don't want the quality to improve.

please proceed with the trolling.
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Old 06-13-2013, 07:16 AM   #36
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The types of quality issues I am hearing about on 5th Gen cars reminds me of cars built in the 60's and 70's.

Hood wrap missing from 1LE (how does that happen?)

Three of one size tire, and fourth tire of different size (the people at the plant must be high)

Trunk lids partially painted inside

Wheels poorly painted, and no paint on inside of wheel

Big gaps between door and dash on one side

Gaps between bumper and headlights different side to side

Uneven metallic paint

Thin paint

Specs and dirt in paint

Front valence sticking out from fender

Clutch chatter

Driveline slop

Missing fasteners

Misaligned panels resulting in interference fit, and paint worn away

Once everyone gets tired of this garbage assembly, they will move on to other makes of cars. People will only put up with this for so long. This isn't 1969. People have options. Get your act together or go bankrupt again.

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Nope, in 1969, you had OPTIONS.
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Old 06-13-2013, 07:20 AM   #37
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Stig, thanks for the response. I have commented to some of these with quotes in green from others, and the links. I need to leave, so will finish later.

Michael
Again though. On most of these (the missing hood wrap for example) you've found ONE occurrence, out of the tens of thousands of camaros produced.
And again, the splitter isn't GM's fault. It's the dealers.

edit: also, some of your links don't go to an actual post. When I click them it goes to the reply page with my text in quotes.
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:20 AM   #38
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So for everyone who has the word "troll" in their post, what you are saying is GM should do nothing about improving quality, while the rest of the manufacturers continue to improve their quality.

Oh, that's brilliant.

That's a great way to see the Camaro discontinued again.

Michael
You are very good at listing things you perceive as issues with the 5th gen Camaro, yet you don't own one and have never lived with one for an extended time. Anyone can go to any forum about any car and pick out issues people have had with those cars then list them in a thread and say they need to improve quality.
Exactly how much personal experience do you have with a 5th Gen Camaro?
Again over the last 3 1/2 years I have owned two 5th gen Camaros and through my own personal experience I can tell you the quality of my two cars have been excellent. I don't think I have just been lucky and gotten the only two good ones they made.
By the way you tried to put me down earlier saying I would buy anything they shoved out the door if it had a big engine, both of mine have been V6's... You sir know nothing about me or the cars you want to bash.
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Old 06-13-2013, 08:49 AM   #39
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So for everyone who has the word "troll" in their post, what you are saying is GM should do nothing about improving quality, while the rest of the manufacturers continue to improve their quality.

Oh, that's brilliant.

That's a great way to see the Camaro discontinued again.

Michael
I think what you need to consider is that you just described is likely less than 100 instances of a problem On a vehicle with over 300,000 units produced. That is .03%. GM is doing just fine.
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I think what you need to consider is that you just described is likely less than 100 instances of a problem On a vehicle with over 300,000 units produced. That is .03%. GM is doing just fine.

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Ya....I owned Japanese cars too and they have more than their fair share of problems and the build quality from day 1 on them is much more flimsy than american cars especially the camaro.
ALL manufacturers have issues, ALL!

My spouse has owned 3 BMW, currently 2011 X5: Turbo charger failed, fuel injectors failed, headlight failures.

I personally had the worse car experience of my life with a few Toyota's: electrical, engine failure, horrible paint issues. etc.

I owned a 1073 Vega that did not give me the troubles that these cars dealt me.
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Yet you took the time to comment.
Because it was worth pointing out that it is indeed ridiculous.
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I think what you need to consider is that you just described is likely less than 100 instances of a problem On a vehicle with over 300,000 units produced. That is .03%. GM is doing just fine.
I love these people who come on here and say "Mine's fine. You're a troll. How many have you owned?". Great, that's a sample size of one or two.

I don't think they are doing just fine.

Consumer Reports ratings on feedback from owners:

Overall Quality/Reliability

2010 Average

2011 Much Worse Than Average

2012 Average

"Based on the latest survey, we expect reliability of new models will be 17% below average"

GM could step it up a bit.

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Comments are in red. Again - I think you're talking about multiple car manufacturers.
My car had 3 of these issues. My seat wasn't fully bolted down and the bolt was in the center console when I got it. Also an extra one in the spare tire area. I had specs in my paint. 2 dealers said I did it somehow and my dash was over to the drivers side and the door panel rubbed on it. I could fit my finger in the gap on the passenger side.
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Simple question, What do you drive?
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I understand the futility of this post, but I'm going to do it anyway. Color me bored.

Obviously this guy is a muckraker of the highest order. Worthless, reckless and highly irresponsible. Pointing out where he's just wrong about his facts, commenting on his threads or debating him are pointless endeavours. He isn't out to debate, he's out to smear GM. Why? I don't know and I don't care to know.

Every comment, including mine keeps his garbage at the top of the page and gets people to talk about the nonsense he's posting. It's the same as bawdy tabloid type ads by Carls Jr. Hamburgers or PETA. It has nothing to do with the subject, it's all done to get people talking.

Let's stop paying attention to guys like this and ads like that. They thrive on attention, let's stop giving it to them and they will wither away from whence they came.
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Again though. On most of these (the missing hood wrap for example) you've found ONE occurrence, out of the tens of thousands of camaros produced.
And again, the splitter isn't GM's fault. It's the dealers.

edit: also, some of your links don't go to an actual post. When I click them it goes to the reply page with my text in quotes.
They have not built tens of thousands of 1LEs. I bet its in the hundreds.

Some of the splitters have been installed properly (one guy even installed it himself), and they later pull away from the fender. Bad design.

There is no excuse for a car going out the door with its hood wrap missing, one tire of a different size, 1.25 inch difference in gap between the bumper and headlights, or dirt in the paint. Obviously, there is not much inspection of anything going on at that plant.

They should move production to a different plant, which it sounds like they are going to do.

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I understand the futility of this post, but I'm going to do it anyway. Color me bored.

Obviously this guy is a muckraker of the highest order. Worthless, reckless and highly irresponsible. Pointing out where he's just wrong about his facts, commenting on his threads or debating him are pointless endeavours. He isn't out to debate, he's out to smear GM. Why? I don't know and I don't care to know.

Every comment, including mine keeps his garbage at the top of the page and gets people to talk about the nonsense he's posting. It's the same as bawdy tabloid type ads by Carls Jr. Hamburgers or PETA. It has nothing to do with the subject, it's all done to get people talking.

Let's stop paying attention to guys like this and ads like that. They thrive on attention, let's stop giving it to them and they will wither away from whence they came.
Better yet, I encourage you and the other troll cops not to post. Yes, please move on, so we can have an adult conversation on this topic of quality. There must be a "Mustangs are better than Camaros" guy on here you can all b!tch about.

Thank you.

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While I agree with most everyone here that every vehicle manufacturer has things happen from time to time -- it's massed produced, after all -- I do recall the thread about the wrong tire. It was actually a 1LE: http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showpo...1&postcount=37
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