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Old 01-09-2014, 01:53 PM   #1
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Z06 powerplant for ZL1

If indeed the ZL1 sticks around...the debut of the Z06 engine is right around the corner and it is a rumored 620/650 horse FI LT power plant. You guys think that Chevy would hit the easy button on it and make it a ZL1 option for 2016 or 2017?
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Old 01-09-2014, 02:09 PM   #2
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Considering there's supposed to be an even higher output FI LT engine in work, I would think so. Question is, how much will they de-tune it from the Z06 numbers?
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Well with Ford one upping Chevy with the GT500, I'm sure the ZL1 will get more power soon.
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Old 01-09-2014, 02:41 PM   #4
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Well with Ford one upping Chevy with the GT500, I'm sure the ZL1 will get more power soon.
I agree with you here. Chevy has done a great job with the interiors and suspension out performing Ford. Now it's time to increase the powerplant to make sure it out performs in all categories. To see the strides that GM has made as a whole in it's product lines recently I wouldn't be surprised if we see it sooner than later.
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One upped with the gt500? Raw power is the only one up in that category, imo.

Chevy has so many models/packages out now or coming soon...hard to know what theyre thinking! New series of engines too. Its very exciting tho. Whenever the camaro gets the lt1 (6th gen?) I think theyll be ready to bump the zl1 at the same time. The lsa is a different block and heads than the ls3 right? so maybe theyll go the same route and have its own powerplant? Maybe complete factory forged internals??? Forged pistons in lt1 at least?? ?...One can dream....
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One upped with the gt500? Raw power is the only one up in that category, imo.
Oh I completely agree, which is why I have a ZL1 and not a GT500. BUT the fact still remains, Chevy came out with the 2012 ZL1 which surpassed the GT500 in power. However Ford then returned the favor by greatly surpassing the ZL1's power. My point is, I'm sure we will see the ZL1 get additional power soon.
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I think your see additional power made to the LSA power plant to up the horsepower first to 580-600HP range for a year or two, then discontinue it for the LT engine series.

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Don't expect it in the first year of production.
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...we have reached the beginning of the uber $ platteu for special high performance. Blue collar is fast being removed from the affordability range, but that was pretold, and we knew it was coming.
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...we have reached the beginning of the uber $ platteu for special high performance. Blue collar is fast being removed from the affordability range, but that was pretold, and we knew it was coming.
I can't say how affordable, exactly, a 69 SS Camaro was new for the common guy, but that ZL1 option back then was that much again on top of the car. I don't see much difference today. We still have affordable, sort of*, models and then you can double the price and get a performance model.

I've often wondered not where the price stops but where there HP plateaus off. How high does it go before they say enough is enough. Last time this happened the gas crisis and government emissions regulations kicked in. What now?


*I put an this puppy up there to say that we still have affordable cars, sort of. Well, with the addition of extra safety equipment and amenities that cars didn't use to have, there isn't really a good cheap option anymore. I remember in the late 90's you could still get a brand new 4 banger S10 pickup for $8000 or so on sale. Not no more. Cars are safer, that's true, but that comes, literally, at a price.
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I'm not too sure that they will make a huge power increase. They will increase it but with the new CAFE rules coming in the future years they have to be careful in how much the fuel mileage is affected.

I really think they should improve on the handling of the car and make it more like the 1LE or even the Z/28. Plus they don't want to move the price too high and bring it closer to the Z/28. There is many model variations of the car and it sure is nice to have "options" as a consumer.
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I can't say how affordable, exactly, a 69 SS Camaro was new for the common guy, but that ZL1 option back then was that much again on top of the car. I don't see much difference today. We still have affordable, sort of*, models and then you can double the price and get a performance model.

I've often wondered not where the price stops but where there HP plateaus off. How high does it go before they say enough is enough. Last time this happened the gas crisis and government emissions regulations kicked in. What now?


*I put an this puppy up there to say that we still have affordable cars, sort of. Well, with the addition of extra safety equipment and amenities that cars didn't use to have, there isn't really a good cheap option anymore. I remember in the late 90's you could still get a brand new 4 banger S10 pickup for $8000 or so on sale. Not no more. Cars are safer, that's true, but that comes, literally, at a price.
You could still have those 4 bangers pickup trucks today
The problem would be that very few could still get them in the USA , it would have to be build in China , Bangladesh etc and very few people around here will still have jobs at the industry , take a pick !
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A birdie told me to look at the Cadillac ATS platform for an idea of the Gen 6 Camaro size! (Most likely the ELR coupe) I'm not sure there's room for an LS3 let alone a FI LT engine in that engine bay.

But you can get a 400+ hp factory twin turbo V6 in there!
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A birdie told me to look at the Cadillac ATS platform for an idea of the Gen 6 Camaro size! (Most likely the ELR coupe) I'm not sure there's room for an LS3 let alone a FI LT engine in that engine bay.

But you can get a 400+ hp factory twin turbo V6 in there!
The Alpha chassis was designed for a V8 from the start.
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A birdie told me to look at the Cadillac ATS platform for an idea of the Gen 6 Camaro size! (Most likely the ELR coupe) I'm not sure there's room for an LS3 let alone a FI LT engine in that engine bay.

But you can get a 400+ hp factory twin turbo V6 in there!
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The Alpha chassis was designed for a V8 from the start.
(Highlighted for you) the ATS seems a tad shorter and more narrow than the current Camaro and offers no V8 option. Although the twin turbo with AWD would be nice a nice option.

GM will do to the Camaro what Ford has done to the 2015 Mustang it'll be BUTT ugly and most likely lose sales to the point they cancel the car AGAIN IMHO.
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I can't say how affordable, exactly, a 69 SS Camaro was new for the common guy, but that ZL1 option back then was that much again on top of the car. I don't see much difference today. We still have affordable, sort of*, models and then you can double the price and get a performance model.

I've often wondered not where the price stops but where there HP plateaus off. How high does it go before they say enough is enough. Last time this happened the gas crisis and government emissions regulations kicked in. What now?


*I put an this puppy up there to say that we still have affordable cars, sort of. Well, with the addition of extra safety equipment and amenities that cars didn't use to have, there isn't really a good cheap option anymore. I remember in the late 90's you could still get a brand new 4 banger S10 pickup for $8000 or so on sale. Not no more. Cars are safer, that's true, but that comes, literally, at a price.
Yes, but the horsepower race of that era was a totally different animal of its own. Today, we have variable valve timing, advanced ECU units and other fuel saving technologies. A 3 second 0-60 C7 Corvette CAN get at par MPG with my V6. Just sayin'
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....Z06 will offer the LT4 S/C powerplant. It will eventually be used in the Camaro at some point in the next Gen.
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It all boils down to cost. What will have the lowest cost, a different/new engine or upgrading the existing engine? And there is more involved in the cost than just the price difference between the two motors.
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At least GM can do is make a concept Camaro with all the goodies of the Z06 power plant.
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That new Z06 2015 Corvette is just awesome. I'll take one in Silver please!
And 8-Speed! Would love to drive that auto in manual mode to see how it responds using the paddle shifters.

Wonder if the dealers will allow test drives?

A lot of these new performance cars are 'you gotta buy to test drive'. Don't blame them really, too many tire kickers. Admittedly me being one .
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I personally did not like the look of the stock C7 (for me it was kind of boring and plain) but this is more my speed. (Darn thing looks like a pure race car.) GM you have peaked my interested. More info please.
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If time has taught us anything first they'll need to show off a 6th gen. That will most likely have an LT1. Then they'll make the convertible. Then a year later they will come out with a 1LE,ZL1,Z28 or what ever. There's a lot of time between then and now so what those get is still up in the air.

GM has always said there is no rule in place that the corvette has to have more HP than everything else. Like the LSA in the current ZL1 and the LS7 in the Z28 both have more power in them then the cars that had those engines first. So there's no reason that won't happen again.
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GM has always said there is no rule in place that the corvette has to have more HP than everything else. Like the LSA in the current ZL1 and the LS7 in the Z28 both have more power in them then the cars that had those engines first.
LSA: I'll agree. The ZL1 has 580 vs 556 in the CTS-V
LS7: I'll disagree. The Z/28 has an even 500 where the Z06 had 505. I know....big whoop over 5 hp.
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,,if they put a N/A LS7 motor, which has been made a ton of times since '06 if my memory serves me correctly, which has payed for itself times over, into the Z/28 which is costing a ton... compared to a LT4, or another new DI motor,...a new fresh design that had recouped nothing as of yet...in a Camaro....the cost will be astronomincal. As if the Z/28 wasn't priced high enough. Not to mention placing a nex gen in a ZL1. Sorry, after seeing the cost increase trend as of late....the only affordable solution for the masses may be a TT V6....they are passing on initial investments like they did back with the original ZL1....directly to the consumer.
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