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Old 03-18-2013, 09:34 PM   #120
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Maybe we can get an affordable stripped down/light-weight drag-car from the factory now, after all...lol
Yeah, and I bet it will take a turn for the worst. It will look like crap. It will most likely be as good looking as a chevy "SS" they just came out with (NOTHING SPECIAL THERE) The past repeats its self, 67 to 69 Camaros COOL, from there on down hill in the looks dept. Camaros from 10 to what? 14? COOL then from there down hill. Just Watch.................
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Old 03-18-2013, 10:31 PM   #121
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Buy your cars now! Stock up.

This is the beginning of the end. Remember what happened to GM cars during the '70's and '80's after dumb GM edicts like this one? The cars were flimsy, slow junk. It takes time to properly design and engineer a car.

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Old 03-18-2013, 10:42 PM   #122
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Buy your cars now! Stock up.

This is the beginning of the end. Remember what happened to GM cars during the '70's and '80's after dumb GM edicts like this one? The cars were flimsy, slow junk. It takes time to properly design and engineer a car.

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Different times now, it's the 21st century, time to quit living in the past....
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Old 03-19-2013, 01:32 AM   #123
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It's all been done before, light cars. Car engineering is nothing new at all and everything has been tried. How about 50-60's European sports cars. Very light with the safety of a moped.
What will change the world of modern cars is composite materials and the way they are manufactured to reduce costs.
Composites will reduce the weight that is needed to get great mileage and performance while retaining the strength for safety that is so important these days.
Until the day that cars are affordable with what we think today, are exotic materials, we are destined to have Sonic sized cars made of steel and iron and aluminum that are light and safe.
The point is that with metals, a CAT front end loader has to weigh what it does to lift a load of logs for physics and engineering strength.
A car has to weigh what it does at a certain size for the same reason with safety in mind.
I personally think we are a few years off yet from composite cars being affordable.
So a light cheap steel/iron/aluminum affordable car will have to be smaller than we might like for the next decade or so until advancements are made, which will happen I'm sure..
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Old 03-19-2013, 01:21 PM   #124
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Different times now, it's the 21st century, time to quit living in the past....
Oh... I feel you are saying "Shut up and eat your broccoli".... LOL OK we all need to shut our pie holes and "go with the flow"...

"Only dead fish go with the flow"....
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Old 03-19-2013, 01:46 PM   #125
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Oh... I feel you are saying "Shut up and eat your broccoli".... LOL OK we all need to shut our pie holes and "go with the flow"...

"Only dead fish go with the flow"....
Wow, it means times have changed and technology has changed we have moved forward, it does not mean it has to go backwards.... As living in the past means.
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Old 03-19-2013, 03:37 PM   #126
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Oh... I feel you are saying "Shut up and eat your broccoli".... LOL OK we all need to shut our pie holes and "go with the flow"...

"Only dead fish go with the flow"....
Broccoli is good. Especially with american cheese.
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:23 PM   #127
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I think concentrating on reducing weight is a good thing. It will help improve performance, even in cars that aren't performance oriented.
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Old 03-19-2013, 04:50 PM   #128
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Broccoli is good. Especially with american cheese.
Even live fish go with the flow, sooner or later...you know what happens to one's that fight the flow all the way, like the salmon...lol...
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Old 03-19-2013, 05:10 PM   #129
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Weight reduction is paramount. Look at our competitors, they can use smaller engines to power their vehicles b/c they are far lighter on average vs. competitive GM vehicles. Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan. Most lighter than GM, all crushing GM in power to weight ratio and fuel economy.

Why would anyone pay 25K for a Malibu Eco to get 37 MPG highway when they can buy a base Nissan Altima 2.5S for under 24K and get 38 MPG highway?
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Old 03-19-2013, 05:20 PM   #130
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Weight reduction is paramount. Look at our competitors, they can use smaller engines to power their vehicles b/c they are far lighter on average vs. competitive GM vehicles. Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Nissan. Most lighter than GM, all crushing GM in power to weight ratio and fuel economy.

Why would anyone pay 25K for a Malibu Eco to get 37 MPG highway when they can buy a base Nissan Altima 2.5S for under 24K and get 38 MPG highway?
Maybe so but the last time I rode in a Toyota Corrola when you shut the door it sounded like you were beating on the side of a garbage can, not a solid thunk you get with most American cars.
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Maybe so but the last time I rode in a Toyota Corrola when you shut the door it sounded like you were beating on the side of a garbage can, not a solid thunk you get with most American cars.
but somehow they manage to outsell everyone w/ those garbage cans though, eh?
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but somehow they manage to outsell everyone w/ those garbage cans though, eh?
Not to me though.....
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Old 03-19-2013, 06:44 PM   #133
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reading this thread and all I can say is; if they make the 6th as bad ass in the looks department with a little more umph and a little less weight I am a happy owner! bring it on! it has gotta have the right attitude or no one will buy it. just like if the current Gen looked generic like the Mustang it would not have took back a large part of the market!
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Old 03-19-2013, 07:38 PM   #134
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but somehow they manage to outsell everyone w/ those garbage cans though, eh?
There is a segment (unfortunately a growing one) of car buyers who have little knowledge of what they are looking and no desire to have any clue what they are looking at. That is Toyota's base.

In short, the Corolla buyer is the reason the Corolla sells, not the merits of the Corolla itself, which became the car world's technological relic years ago after the Impala received the 3.6L/6-speed combo.
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Old 03-19-2013, 07:44 PM   #135
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but somehow they manage to outsell everyone w/ those garbage cans though, eh?
Impression is reality................................but it doesn't change the truth.

People still think if you buy a Toyota you are buying a higher quality car. Data says otherwise if you look at JD Power for example. But if you believe it to be true then it's true.
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That not news to me, I was only stating the fact that Toyota outsells us. I know that Cruze is a superior product to Corolla in almost every conceivable way, but it obviously doesn't mean anything if the public is lead to believe otherwise.
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