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Old 02-08-2013, 06:16 PM   #69
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Old 02-08-2013, 06:32 PM   #70
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I know times have changed, but I just hate to see the Camaro (6th Gen) especially, become just another economy transportation vehicle...I think the Gen5 (V6 included) sort of bucked the "trend" of being another run-of-the-mill, a little something for everybody type car...
The 5th Gen v6, I came to believe, was the modern type of what older small displacement v-8s were once upon a time, and the SS v-8's harkened back to what most remember and desired from the older first gen muscle cars...
I hear some "justify" the v6 because many other gen Camaros had them, but don't bring up the vast improvements over the old 6's, yet the I-4 is always touted as not being the same old dog 4-bangers...
...Just sayin' the "image" of what made the Camaro a success with the fifth gen, will be lost with the addition of a four-cylinder engine on the 6th, and the for the Camaro line of cars, a V-6 is "base" enough....Why it can't remain something "special", instead of going 4-cyl, like just about all other model lines have done is, for lack of a better expression, "watering-down" the image of the car, and may result in hurting sales, rather than improving them...

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Old 02-08-2013, 06:39 PM   #71
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I myself am not against a Turbo 4 in the camaro i just think that they wont cause it would mean certain death for a Frs/brz competitor I.E. the code 130R cause they both would be price similar and even though the 130 R would prolly have around 200 to 215 hp and weight around what the Brz/Frs performance would be around the same or better. I think a V6 and a V8 powertrain is what the camaro will have if they come out with the 130R
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Old 02-08-2013, 07:17 PM   #72
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Because a 2 cylinder Camaro would just be silly.

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Old 02-08-2013, 08:12 PM   #73
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...did not read the thread...Turbo 4 DI clean diesels provide a ton of torque and great fuel lileage. I have a VW TDI. It's amazing. Less mileage when it's cold, but up to 45 MPG highway otherwise.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:27 PM   #74
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...did not read the thread...Turbo 4 DI clean diesels provide a ton of torque and great fuel lileage. I have a VW TDI. It's amazing. Less mileage when it's cold, but up to 45 MPG highway otherwise.
Well I'm convinced. I'll be looking for a scion cube or a VW TDI for a 4banger to swap out my LS3. I'm just worried if I'll be able to handle the neck breaking acceleration. I'm sure all you ZL1 owners and LSX owners are thinking the same thing.
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:30 PM   #75
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....LOL, I guess,.... however the Corporate 4 turbo will get great fuel economy, and will be a nice base engine despite moronic commentary such as yours...., just sayin....
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Old 02-08-2013, 08:45 PM   #76
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No, the whole point is making the Camaro as good as it can be, not fiddling around trying to make it an all-around car, or trying to impress some dillweed who opposes V8's for "ethical reasons".

I'm sure there are people who'd like a station-wagon variant also, and probably another group that would love a Camaro pick-up. Should Chevy build their car too? After all, no one is forced to buy any particular variation, so car makers should manufacture every dumbass idea that crosses their mind. What could go wrong?

A 4 cylinder isn't needed or wanted. God only knows why you clowns keep zealously attacking anyone who points that out.
Whos doing the attacking?? I don't see attacking from the ones simply trying to point out why a T4 could be a good thing, or from those who try to point out that a T4 can actually be fun to drive.

Anyways...the comment is laughable at best. The point is making the Camaro "as good as it can be"....and your right. So WTH does adding a T4 to the line-up do to threaten that? I see absolutely no reason whatsoever why the next gen Camaro on Alpha with the LT1 V8 won't easily surpass the current car in performance...straight line and in the twisties. You seem to think that adding a 4-cylinder is somehow going to affect the performance of the V8 version....like GM is just going to somehow "water down" the name altogether.

"Well, they are adding a 4 cylinder. Guess Chevy just doesn't care about real enthusiasts anymore." Thats what you seem to be saying.

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His point is that you can't compare a heavily modded turbo 4 to a stock V8 in one sentence ("almost L99 power") and then tell the man he can't bring up the fact that the V8 has a warranty in the next sentence.

If you want L99 power, then get an L99 and a free warranty with it.
I don't think you got my point either. I said it before...I'll say it again. I posted that simply to show what could be done simply with a tune and nothing else. A real car guy might see those numbers and go "dang thats pretty good!" A close-minded person goes "well...A V8 will do that and still have a warranty". Don't make it out to be more than what it is. I did not try to imply that someone should just buy the T4, tune it, and be done instead of buying a V8.

Again, yes the warranty will be toast. Well big surprise there. How many of us here don't mod at all? If you are moding, you are risking your warranty. Nuff said.

Holy cow...I can't wait to see how mad some of you go when this car with the T4 is actually released.
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:09 PM   #77
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....LOL, I guess,.... however the Corporate 4 turbo will get great fuel economy, and will be a nice base engine despite moronic commentary such as yours...., just sayin....
I'm sure it gets great fuel economy, who is questioning that? Oh yea, that's right you didn't read the thread. Well as one of the resident V8 loving morons on this thread I have decided there is no percentage in arguing with people who want green Camaros, turbo 4 Camaros, Diesel Camaros, it's all superior to V8s. I'm not fighting the future anymore. Just waiting for the Kia hamsters to be in a Camaro ad!
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:38 PM   #78
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....wake up and smell the GOV. The shit is gettin' real as in a not to distant past phrase suggests..., look I want 8's forever, truth is it ain't happen', the modern DI motors... 4 or 6's, with forced induction will take over, not my decision. There will be the next Gen 5 8 cyl family, but at a premium,... sorry, but even though the climate is beyond turning around, the GOV will do it's best to further complicate our issues and pass the price down to the consumer. Welcome to the 21st century.
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Old 02-08-2013, 09:44 PM   #79
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Seriously though, is it the number of cylinders or the performance?

Balanced handling, outstanding braking, torque? I have them all in a 3.0 Supercharged car that will run with an SS. My 2.0T Sky Redline? With the GMPP calibration it would also run with an SS (Woodward Dream Cruise, don't ask).

Muscle doesn't mean cylinders in the new world.
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:00 PM   #80
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Folks, as they say, it's baked in the cake..the new motors are going to rock, it's the change over factor that have the most vocal indualvistalic opponists concered about change....accept, not fear it..., why the worry?
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:10 PM   #81
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If 4 cylinders are what we have to do, what about 4 cylinder Vettes? Is it impossible to make a Turbo V8? Everyone lauds the power of turbo 4 and turbo 6--do they not have Turbo V8's? Do the mighty turbo 4s outperform turbo V8s?!

Will we see a 4 banger Vette? People say it won't effect Camaro negatively, will it affect Corvette?
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:37 PM   #82
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...almost every time somebody makes some bizzare argument or contary comment about Z/28, ZL1, Vette's, turbo 4 or 6's, next generation whatever, its usually an insecure owner of a LS3, for whatever reason...it's gettin old.....
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Old 02-08-2013, 10:55 PM   #83
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...almost every time somebody makes some bizzare argument or contary comment about Z/28, ZL1, Vette's, turbo 4 or 6's, next generation whatever, its usually an insecure owner of a LS3, for whatever reason...it's gettin old.....
Is it possible for you to have a discussion with someone who disagrees with you without being insulting pal, now THAT is what is old. I'm on a Camaro enthusiast site last I checked. So me liking an LS3 engine shouldn't get me called names. I didn't call you one so have some common courtesy.
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...Ok, Pal is a reach for first introductions on your part don't you think? I'm guessing but, 4 cylinder turbo performance engines have been around probably longer that you have been alive and have made impressive numbers. What's the issue?
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....guys, the turbo 4 and 6 are going to be standard Corporate motors, 8's will be a premium, read GmAuthority or GmInsider for info....they are coming to a neighborhood near you, soon, and across all lines. CAFE and GOV reg's are squeezing 8"s, they will be available, but at a premium going forward. Especially high performance 8's. Read, and get informed.
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