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Old 02-08-2013, 03:55 PM   #57
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Fixed that for you. The whole point is that you don't have to. Same as people who don't give a rat's ass about "muscle" or exhaust aren't forced to buy it in V8 trim.
No, the whole point is making the Camaro as good as it can be, not fiddling around trying to make it an all-around car, or trying to impress some dillweed who opposes V8's for "ethical reasons".

I'm sure there are people who'd like a station-wagon variant also, and probably another group that would love a Camaro pick-up. Should Chevy build their car too? After all, no one is forced to buy any particular variation, so car makers should manufacture every dumbass idea that crosses their mind. What could go wrong?

A 4 cylinder isn't needed or wanted. God only knows why you clowns keep zealously attacking anyone who points that out.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:14 PM   #58
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No one is attacking anyone for liking v8 cars... People are defending the idea of there being a variety of engines in the Camaro. No one said to get rid of v8s, no one said you couldn't buy your v8. People are trying to explain to the people on this forum who are close minded that if it weren't for the variety of engine packages that the business justification for a Camaro model at all would not be enough to support the production of the car alone. At the very least, you NEED a base model engine to sustain the justification of the car. With the 6th gen, alpha based, Camaro possibly having the much needed weight reduction it needs combined with the performance capabilities of the I4 that GM is making today, many of us are open to the idea of an I4 being one of the choices for engines. It makes no impact on someone who wants to buy an SS with a v8.


Simply put, if adding an I4 engine to the 6th gen lineup means they sell 100,000 cars instead of 90,000 cars (pulling easy numbers out my ass) then why not? It just means that we ALL have a better chance of seeing a 7th gen, 8th gen, 9th gen Camaro... a win-win for all of us. It simply will not affect anyone who only wants to buy the SS, Z28, ZL1, whatever model.

Another classic example - for all the hate people give on the v6s. How many people on this site bought a v6 and then upgraded to an SS? If they hadn't bought that v6 to fall even more in love with the Camaro, for all we know they could have gone with a Mustang or some other car entirely. Because they offered the v6 GM got two sales out of them...
Nobody hates V6's pal, I drove an LS because it was what I could afford. One deployment later and I traded up to the V8. I'm not saying there shouldn't be a base trim, but I think traditionally The V-6 has been that.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:30 PM   #59
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FFS, it's not like they're deleting the V8 altogether. The base engine will just be a 2.0T. If you're not interested in the base engine then WGAS?
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:50 PM   #60
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Because GM has one of the best turbo 4s in the industry.
Imagine if they put two of them together in the form of a V8....

It would be like taking something good and raising it by a power of 2 (because it would be better than the sum of its parts).
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:50 PM   #61
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FFS, it's not like they're deleting the V8 altogether. The base engine will just be a 2.0T. If you're not interested in the base engine then WGAS?
Not to mention the fact that 2.0 turbo is going to be pushing close to 300 hp (and motivating a ~3400 lb car), so it's not as if the performance is going to suffer compared to the current V6.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:55 PM   #62
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FFS, it's not like they're deleting the V8 altogether. The base engine will just be a 2.0T. If you're not interested in the base engine then WGAS?
Well, one hint might be that we're all commenting on a fansite...
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:56 PM   #63
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Nobody. Whats your point? You ever modded a car before? If so, then you also willing to throw away your warranty.

I'm not saying I'd be perfectly comfortable pushing the stock internals to the limit either, but its worth letting people know what these things are capable of with just a tune right? Its interesting. Maybe it doesn't sound V8 like, but thinking these things are slow is just old thinking.
His point is that you can't compare a heavily modded turbo 4 to a stock V8 in one sentence ("almost L99 power") and then tell the man he can't bring up the fact that the V8 has a warranty in the next sentence.

If you want L99 power, then get an L99 and a free warranty with it.
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Old 02-08-2013, 04:58 PM   #64
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FFS, it's not like they're deleting the V8 altogether. The base engine will just be a 2.0T. If you're not interested in the base engine then WGAS?
Of course they are not getting rid of the V8. The plan is to just make it REALLY hard and REALLY expensive to get one.
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:26 PM   #65
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FFS, it's not like they're deleting the V8 altogether. The base engine will just be a 2.0T. If you're not interested in the base engine then WGAS?
If its just about selling more cars why not make it an EV then? I hear Priuses sell pretty good... They could also make 4 cylinder Vettes for the people who want the awesome power of the turbo 4 in a Sports car. Heck, the Vette could be like a Porsche and the Camaro could be like a Subaru!
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A 4-cylinder Camaro again? GM tried it and failed before.

Or they could call it a Monza!
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:29 PM   #67
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Of course they are not getting rid of the V8. The plan is to just make it REALLY hard and REALLY expensive to get one.
I'm with the Captain on this one. They want my guns, my Cigars, my V8,--next they'll want my single malt scotch!
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Old 02-08-2013, 05:33 PM   #68
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We have a 4 cylinder Camaro already, it is called a L99

I can say that since I owned #230 one of the first L99's.
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I know times have changed, but I just hate to see the Camaro (6th Gen) especially, become just another economy transportation vehicle...I think the Gen5 (V6 included) sort of bucked the "trend" of being another run-of-the-mill, a little something for everybody type car...
The 5th Gen v6, I came to believe, was the modern type of what older small displacement v-8s were once upon a time, and the SS v-8's harkened back to what most remember and desired from the older first gen muscle cars...
I hear some "justify" the v6 because many other gen Camaros had them, but don't bring up the vast improvements over the old 6's, yet the I-4 is always touted as not being the same old dog 4-bangers...
...Just sayin' the "image" of what made the Camaro a success with the fifth gen, will be lost with the addition of a four-cylinder engine on the 6th, and the for the Camaro line of cars, a V-6 is "base" enough....Why it can't remain something "special", instead of going 4-cyl, like just about all other model lines have done is, for lack of a better expression, "watering-down" the image of the car, and may result in hurting sales, rather than improving them...

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