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Old 02-28-2013, 11:29 AM   #365
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...there is no demand (or need) for a four cylinder Camaro...they thought this one up on their own...
We already know that there's there's little or no demand or need from the performance buyers.

But if it's the "path of least resistance" to satisfying both regulatory pressure and entry point performance targets where's the foul as far as the folks who wouldn't buy 400+ HP versions are concerned?


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Old 02-28-2013, 11:47 AM   #366
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Same reason some folks would buy a fake diamond ring......looks good, it's cheap, nobody really knows unless they look under a eye glass.
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Old 02-28-2013, 11:49 AM   #367
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We already know that there's there's little or no demand or need from the performance buyers.

But if it's the "path of least resistance" to satisfying both regulatory pressure and entry point performance targets where's the foul as far as the folks who wouldn't buy 400+ HP versions are concerned?


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...I would suggest the foul might be in thinking a new entry point target needs to be satisfied...Why expend precious resources on a duplicate and unnecessary entry point for the Camaro line?...The V-6 LS I've seen advertised new for under 20K...Not a good enough entry point?...Is the I-4 gonna sell for 14-15K or what?...

....This "just don't buy one, if you don't like it" argument could be a marketing disaster with the glut of 4 cyl models sold by everyone else...

If there is regulatory pressure, where's the I-4 Corvette?
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:17 PM   #368
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Why expend precious resources on a duplicate and unnecessary entry point for the Camaro line

....This "just don't buy one, if you don't like it" argument could be a marketing disaster with the glut of 4 cyl models sold by everyone else...

If there is regulatory pressure, where's the I-4 Corvette?
Again, if GM does do it it's because of regulations, not consumer demand.

If it doesn't sell and it must sell to meet the regulations, GM will either lower the 4 cyl price and/or increase the V8 price, or just stop making the Camaro.

The number of Corvettes sold vs the number of Camaros sold is why GM wont have to make a non-V8 Corvette to meet the new regulations. It's all about the numbers.
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Old 02-28-2013, 12:27 PM   #369
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Again, if GM does do it it's because of regulations, not consumer demand.

If it doesn't sell and it must sell to meet the regulations, GM will either lower the 4 cyl price and/or increase the V8 price, or just stop making the Camaro.

The number of Corvettes sold vs the number of Camaros sold is why GM wont have to make a non-V8 Corvette to meet the new regulations. It's all about the numbers.
...But think of how the numbers of Vettes would sky-rocket with an I-4 in that model line...All the points made for the advantages of one in a Camaro would be three-fold if in a Vette...Think of the entry-level bonanza the Vette would have with an I-4, instead of the Camaro which already has an entry level one...
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Old 02-28-2013, 01:32 PM   #370
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...I would suggest the foul might be in thinking a new entry point target needs to be satisfied...Why expend precious resources on a duplicate and unnecessary entry point for the Camaro line?...The V-6 LS I've seen advertised new for under 20K...Not a good enough entry point?...Is the I-4 gonna sell for 14-15K or what?...
Honestly, I don't think the platform can support three different engine configurations plus the halo ZL1 as a limited production sub-set of the V8.

If anything, I'd expect the six to get squeezed out. For everybody who already does not like the AFM in the V8, there would be several who would hate it in a six . . . just imagine what occasionally running as a 1.8L 3-cylinder might be like - a 2.0L four would be positively refined by comparison.


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Old 02-28-2013, 01:38 PM   #371
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Honestly, I don't think the platform can support three different engine configurations plus the halo ZL1 as a limited production sub-set of the V8.

If anything, I'd expect the six to get squeezed out. For everybody who already does not like the AFM in the V8, there would be several who would hate it in a six . . . just imagine what occasionally running as a 1.8L 3-cylinder might be like - a 2.0L four would be positively refined by comparison.


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Yeah, AFM in a V6 just doesn't work--too much wear and tear because of poor balancing. Even with alternating firing patterns they seemed to have lots of issues. You would have to go back to I-6 to have AFM.
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Old 02-28-2013, 01:45 PM   #372
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Honestly, I don't think the platform can support three different engine configurations plus the halo ZL1 as a limited production sub-set of the V8.

If anything, I'd expect the six to get squeezed out. For everybody who already does not like the AFM in the V8, there would be several who would hate it in a six . . . just imagine what occasionally running as a 1.8L 3-cylinder might be like - a 2.0L four would be positively refined by comparison.


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If that is the case with the I-4, and the V-6 as is discontinued as the entry level model, then fine...(I guess)...lol...Can't say that before now I've heard that will or might be the case, though...
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Old 02-28-2013, 02:05 PM   #373
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Like much else in this thread, it's just speculation. But the 100,000-ish per year level seems way too small to be split three ways plus the ZL1. Don't forget that each engine configuration with each of its transmission options would need to be certified for emissions (and the car likely recalibrated for ABS and ST as well, which wouldn't be as simple or as inexpensive as one might first think).


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Old 02-28-2013, 04:11 PM   #374
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700 horsepower, 4 cylinders.....



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PS: Oops, I ended up reading to find F1 has decided against 4's and to go with 6's... their original plans were to use 4 cylinders in 2013.
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Old 02-28-2013, 05:03 PM   #375
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I guess someone could post a V-8 Top Fuel Dragster with 10,000 hp....what does that prove??...
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Old 02-28-2013, 06:17 PM   #376
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oh heck no. This is an American Muscle car. A V-4 would just be insulting.
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Old 02-28-2013, 07:21 PM   #377
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Wouldn't be a V-4 even though Lancia actually built V4's from the 1920's to about the 1960. Not worth the rotating balance issues. I really really doubt they'd do an H-4 either. I don't think you'd be able to keep that from sounding like an old 36 or 40 HP Volkswagen Beetle - talk about a yucky sound . . .


A V-4 is essentially what you get in the L99 when the AFM kicks in, and I think we all know how popular that is around here . . .

Inline 4 only.


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Old 02-28-2013, 07:57 PM   #378
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I guess someone could post a V-8 Top Fuel Dragster with 10,000 hp....what does that prove??...
That 4 cylinders don't mean it's a shitty low powered car.....
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