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Old 04-03-2013, 01:57 PM   #576
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But again, the issue wasn't fuel economy, it was a lack of interest in improving the offerings that provided good fuel economy that was the problem. Those are two different things. And even if they were, I don't think its that relevant to this discussion anyway, as I still contend that there really isn't all that much fuel economy difference (perhaps a marginal improvement) between a turbo-4 and V6 of similar power in real world driving.
Having traded in my LNF powered '08 HHR SS for my '12 1LT LFX(both autos), I can attest that under the same real world driving conditions that the fuel economy difference is minimal. I'm observing 1-2 mpg less and the extra 1 gallon capacity difference makes it almost even. Plus with the LNF, you must run 91+ octane, so I see $ operational evening due to fuel grade choice.
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Old 04-03-2013, 03:11 PM   #577
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Why would anyone want a 4 cyl camaro?? Sounds a bit lame.
who doesn't want 200hp.

makes sense for fuel economy but i really hope the camaro doesnt do that. 4 banger mustang would be funny
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Old 04-03-2013, 03:40 PM   #578
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not sure if its been posted, and thought it funny after reading the "detuning a ZL1" thread, thought this would be a good reason... but a reason why someone would want a 4 cylinder camaro, is because they don't trust their 17yr old kid with too much HP behind the wheel but insist its a great idea to give "said" kid a powerful car.
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Old 04-03-2013, 04:09 PM   #579
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Where do you get 200hp ?? I'd love to see a 6th Gen with a 320hp turbo 4 anytime... According to reports the Next Gen Mustang will have a 300+ hp Turbo 4... In a lighter car this could be fun and exciting...



No reason why GM/Chevy can't put together a screaming 4 cylinder Turbo with at least 300hp,,, hell Subaru and Mitsubishi have done it for years and the Mods for those motors and are kinda impressive if you want some big numbers from a 4 banger....
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Old 04-03-2013, 04:28 PM   #580
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No reason why GM/Chevy can't put together a screaming 4 cylinder Turbo with at least 300hp,,, hell Subaru and Mitsubishi have done it for years and the Mods for those motors and are kinda impressive if you want some big numbers from a 4 banger....
If you want to make that comparison, you have to compare those cars to the SS or even the 1LE, as they are not even close to the base Camaro's price range. Dollar for dollar, they fall way short on power. And frankly, those particular turbo 4s are about as efficient (or inefficient) as the V8 Camaro, despite the much smaller size of the cars they are in.
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........ A Turbo 4 cylinder could be an "option" some folks might like to see........ Why not do it ??? if it generates added sales, no one misses out.... For me, I would like to see something different added to the 6th Gen and maybe even a V-6 Performance package like the Mustang has...
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Old 04-04-2013, 04:59 PM   #582
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So now we are considering NA 4 cylinder? Why not EV? Toyota seems to sell a lot of them. We can position the Camaro as a Leaf/Prius competitor!
I'll bet you $20 right now that there will be a hybrid or pure electric 6th gen. Who knows, the halo Camaro might be a hybrid, a la Porsche, Ferrari, etc, etc.

A hybrid or pure EV Camaro would be a huge boon for GM.
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I'll bet you $20 right now that there will be a hybrid or pure electric 6th gen. Who knows, the halo Camaro might be a hybrid, a la Porsche, Ferrari, etc, etc.

A hybrid or pure EV Camaro would be a huge boon for GM.
Okay, April Fools day is over.
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Old 04-04-2013, 08:04 PM   #584
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I'll bet you $20 right now that there will be a hybrid or pure electric 6th gen. Who knows, the halo Camaro might be a hybrid, a la Porsche, Ferrari, etc, etc.

A hybrid or pure EV Camaro would be a huge boon for GM.
Hahahahaha! I laugh in your general direction. As for everyone who say the V8 is dead, AFM 5.3 liters, turbo 4 bangers rule and such... Z/28 with 427 ci and I heard nothing about AFM or making the Camaro the new weak sister prius gas saving wanna be. Hmmmmmmm....
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Old 04-06-2013, 05:42 PM   #585
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Hahahahaha! I laugh in your general direction. As for everyone who say the V8 is dead, AFM 5.3 liters, turbo 4 bangers rule and such... Z/28 with 427 ci and I heard nothing about AFM or making the Camaro the new weak sister prius gas saving wanna be. Hmmmmmmm....
I didn't say the V8 is dead - it isn't going anywhere, and OK, maybe the halo Camaro won't be a hybrid but a strong hybrid V4 40+mpg and/or a hybrid V6 that performs like a V8 would be great and modern options for the platform and for Chevy.

I don't think anyone would be laughing at a V8 hybrid with instant torque..... I'd buy it in an instant..... and those who are dead set against change.....
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Okay, April Fools day is over.
Take me up on it.
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Old 04-06-2013, 06:32 PM   #587
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Take me up on it.
How about I explain my thinking, since Inet bets never work out.

1) GM management has mandated a 15% decrease in weight, EV and hybrid add weight.
2) GM appears to be focusing on DI/VVT and turbos to get the ecomomy and performance they want. We really haven't see any performance cars hinted at having EV or hybrid technology (look at the announcements for the CTS and ATS).
3) It is too expense for a lower volume car like the Camaro. We are more likely to see it in something like the Cruze first. They sale as many of those a month as they sold Camaros all last year. We'll see a hybrid Cruze long before we see a hybrid Camaro.

That said, I do thing some day we may well see a hybrid Camaro, and maybe even an EV Vette-like vehicle. I just don't see it happing in the next 6-8 years.
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Old 04-06-2013, 07:54 PM   #588
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If you want to make that comparison, you have to compare those cars to the SS or even the 1LE, as they are not even close to the base Camaro's price range. Dollar for dollar, they fall way short on power. And frankly, those particular turbo 4s are about as efficient (or inefficient) as the V8 Camaro, despite the much smaller size of the cars they are in.
a friend of mine has a evo 10 and he averages around 18 mpg stock, when he installed a intake and a tune it went up to about 20 but me with my HHR SS make about the same power stock for stock about 30 hp different (i also paid 10k less then he did) and i get about 25 average mpg with mods and a tune. those eve and subaru motors are powerhouses but they are just dogs on fuel
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lol I had a 73 Camaro with a 250cid L6 with a 3m producing a whopping 100bhp at 3600 RPM
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Cause it would make for better threads "V8 vs V6 vs I4"
Imagine the possibilities
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I didn't say the V8 is dead - it isn't going anywhere, and OK, maybe the halo Camaro won't be a hybrid but a strong hybrid V4 40+mpg and/or a hybrid V6 that performs like a V8 would be great and modern options for the platform and for Chevy.

I don't think anyone would be laughing at a V8 hybrid with instant torque..... I'd buy it in an instant..... and those who are dead set against change.....
I just don't think Fbodfather and crew are planning a hybrid or EV version of this car. I get that you think that many of us backward thinking old codgers are stuck in the past, but the Camaro crew guys and gals think about what this car is.

They actually came with a stripped down balls to the wall LS7 having ceramic carbon brake sporting fire breathing 500 HP Z/28. Exactly what old codgers like me have wanted on the Z/28 threads.

When Fbodfather said "keep the faith." It wasn't so they could change the essence of a legendary American muscle car into a hybrid prius.

I really understand that you forward thinking high tech whale saving earth protecting grocery transporting types LOVE you some EV's. Heck nothing like listening to the high pitched rattle an inline 3 cylinder golf cart makes as you strain to accelerate up a shallow grade.

I just don't see Chevy ruining the Camaro by making it be a Volt or a Spark.
Nothing wrong with those cars if you want them-- the Camaro however is something else.
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I just don't think Fbodfather and crew are planning a hybrid or EV version of this car. I get that you think that many of us backward thinking old codgers are stuck in the past, but the Camaro crew guys and gals think about what this car is.

They actually came with a stripped down balls to the wall LS7 having ceramic carbon brake sporting fire breathing 500 HP Z/28. Exactly what old codgers like me have wanted on the Z/28 threads.

When Fbodfather said "keep the faith." It wasn't so they could change the essence of a legendary American muscle car into a hybrid prius.

I really understand that you forward thinking high tech whale saving earth protecting grocery transporting types LOVE you some EV's. Heck nothing like listening to the high pitched rattle an inline 3 cylinder golf cart makes as you strain to accelerate up a shallow grade.

I just don't see Chevy ruining the Camaro by making it be a Volt or a Spark.
Nothing wrong with those cars if you want them-- the Camaro however is something else.
You may be right. I think GM has been hitting the nail on the head lately, especially with the Z/28. I would daily drive that thing if I could afford it. I bought a 1LE because it is such a great car.

While I may believe that we need to be more mindful of our environment, my point is offering a performance hybrid that gets excellent gas mileage would be a great thing to offer in line with the traditional big V8s, ZL1s, ZR1s etc and a great investment for GM to proliferate and develop technology. I would think twice if a 400hp "sport" Camaro EV were offered over an SS.

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Old 04-07-2013, 01:18 AM   #593
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How about I explain my thinking, since Inet bets never work out.

1) GM management has mandated a 15% decrease in weight, EV and hybrid add weight.
2) GM appears to be focusing on DI/VVT and turbos to get the ecomomy and performance they want. We really haven't see any performance cars hinted at having EV or hybrid technology (look at the announcements for the CTS and ATS).
3) It is too expense for a lower volume car like the Camaro. We are more likely to see it in something like the Cruze first. They sale as many of those a month as they sold Camaros all last year. We'll see a hybrid Cruze long before we see a hybrid Camaro.

That said, I do thing some day we may well see a hybrid Camaro, and maybe even an EV Vette-like vehicle. I just don't see it happing in the next 6-8 years.
All valid points. I just think it would be a great way to develop the technology. The traditional motors/turbo may end up being just as efficient, but if anything it would help develop the technology/get some PR. I just think it would be cool to see

I would be happy to put the bet in escrow, just a friendly bet
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You may be right. I think GM has been hitting the nail on the head lately, especially with the Z/28. I would daily drive that thing if I could afford it. I bought a 1LE because it is such a great car.

While I may believe that we need to be more mindful of our environment, my point is offering a performance hybrid that gets excellent gas mileage would be a great thing to offer in line with the traditional big V8s, ZL1s, ZR1s etc and a great investment for GM to proliferate and develop technology. I would think twice if a 400hp "sport" Camaro EV were offered over an SS.

Go GM
The 1le is awesome, and I am with you on wanting a Z/28, but a 400 HP EV is unlikely in the Camaro price point. As it stands maybe more than 100 grand and still with problems if Tesla is any indication.
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Camaros are all about the looks for me. So yes I would buy a 4 that was more fuel efficient in a heartbeat. Even driving the six around I have enjoyed ample power. In fact I liked the manual six cylinder over the eight for sure!
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a friend of mine has a evo 10 and he averages around 18 mpg stock, when he installed a intake and a tune it went up to about 20 but me with my HHR SS make about the same power stock for stock about 30 hp different (i also paid 10k less then he did) and i get about 25 average mpg with mods and a tune. those eve and subaru motors are powerhouses but they are just dogs on fuel
The all wheel drive is what drains the fuel efficiency.
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Why would anyone want a 4 cyl camaro?? Sounds a bit lame.
They wouldn't.
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Why would anyone want a 4 cyl camaro?? Sounds a bit lame.
Same reason anyone would want a V6. Same look, decent performance, good gas mileage.
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Same reason anyone would want a V6. Same look, decent performance, good gas mileage.
Well said........until somebody ask if its an SS then its a different story.
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Why would anyone want a 4 cyl camaro?? Sounds a bit lame.
It is lame.
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