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Old 01-10-2013, 05:27 PM   #1
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How much faster does the 6th gen need to be...

to be considered better (performance wise) than the 5th gen?

0-60?
1/4 mile?

Nurburgring Lap Time?
VIR Lap Time?


If you weren't previously considering a 6th gen, how much faster would the 0-60, 1/4 mile, and/or lap times have to be to make you change your mind?

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Old 01-10-2013, 05:38 PM   #2
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Brutally faster.
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Old 01-10-2013, 05:49 PM   #3
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In a straight line, 5th gens are plenty fast for factory cars, so if the 6th gens were equally as fast, it would be acceptable. Given the weight saving promise of the ATS platform, and what we are starting to find out about the next gen engines, the 6th gen will almost certainly have a better power to weight ratio, so it will probably be even faster...the only question will be by how much.

What I'd really want to see in the 6th gen is improved dynamics....I'd want lighter weight, more agility, better balance, and better steering feel/feedback. These, not power, are the 5th gen weak points. The good news is the ATS has proven to have all of these characteristics, so they should translate over to the next Camaro as well.

As far as specific numbers go, I'm sure there will be plenty of data on 0-60, quarter mile, certain track lap times, etc....However, what I'm really looking for in a car is the stuff that can't be measured with stopwatches and computers. I'm more interested in how it feels while driving at 7/10ths or even 9/10ths on the narrow, rural backroads through the hills where I live. I don't care about Nurburgring times, because I'm never gonna drive my car competitively around a high speed road course.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:58 AM   #4
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In a straight line, 5th gens are plenty fast for factory cars, so if the 6th gens were equally as fast, it would be acceptable. Given the weight saving promise of the ATS platform, and what we are starting to find out about the next gen engines, the 6th gen will almost certainly have a better power to weight ratio, so it will probably be even faster...the only question will be by how much.

What I'd really want to see in the 6th gen is improved dynamics....I'd want lighter weight, more agility, better balance, and better steering feel/feedback. These, not power, are the 5th gen weak points. The good news is the ATS has proven to have all of these characteristics, so they should translate over to the next Camaro as well...
Pretty much exactly what I would have said...I agree. If the 5th gen weighed a good 300+ lbs less, and was a bit more agile feeling it would be the perfect car without needing any more power in my opinion.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:01 PM   #5
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SS should run low 12s, LT models should run at least mid to low 13s. In other words, both cars should drop a second from their average times. This will keep them competitive through their entire life cycle.
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A loss of 600 pounds and a new 450HP LT1 engine program on an Cadillac ATS chassis would essentially feel like losing 4 of your favorite NFL line backers out of your SUV... peppy!

A 1/4 mile calculator states a 450HP, 3400 pound car would go 11.34 @119mph.

I am looking forward to the ATS chassis.
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Old 01-11-2013, 03:16 PM   #7
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I would like to see a 5.3L version of the LT1 make around 385 HP and get 35 MPG for the entry level V-8. Build it strong and make it easy to mod. With the lower weight if they nail the body style and land the price at 31,000 to start they would sell in the hundred thousands again.
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A loss of 600 pounds and a new 450HP LT1 engine program on an Cadillac ATS chassis would essentially feel like losing 4 of your favorite NFL line backers out of your SUV... peppy!

A 1/4 mile calculator states a 450HP, 3400 pound car would go 11.34 @119mph.

I am looking forward to the ATS chassis.

Holy hell yes.

Throw on some dr and run 10s
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Brutally faster.
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well lets see how the trends are going.
Low 4/sub 4 second range for SS
high 3 second for 1LE
Low 5 second/ sub 5 for V6
Mid 3 Second for ZL1
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Old 01-11-2013, 07:05 PM   #11
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I would like to see a 5.3L version of the LT1 make around 385 HP and get 35 MPG for the entry level V-8. Build it strong and make it easy to mod. With the lower weight if they nail the body style and land the price at 31,000 to start they would sell in the hundred thousands again.

So have the SS be a 5.3 LT, the Z28 be the 6.2 LT and the ZL1 be a S/C or Turbo 6.2 LT?
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Old 01-11-2013, 09:54 PM   #12
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So have the SS be a 5.3 LT, the Z28 be the 6.2 LT and the ZL1 be a S/C or Turbo 6.2 LT?
That would work.
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- Gen 6 ATS Camaro, SS - new Gen 7 Corvette LT1 V8 (450HP).

- Gen 6 ATS Camaro, 1LE (handling pak) - new Gen 7 Corvette LT1 V8 (450HP).

- Gen 6 ATS Z/28, whatever Gen 7 Vette Z06 LT was available (530HP)

- Gen 6 ZL1, whatever Gen 7 Corvette ZR-1 SC LT program was offered should go here (680hp)
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- Gen 6 ATS Camaro, SS - new Gen 7 Corvette LT1 V8 (450HP).

- Gen 6 ATS Camaro, 1LE (handling pak) - new Gen 7 Corvette LT1 V8 (450HP).

- Gen 6 ATS Z/28, whatever Gen 7 Vette Z06 LT was available (530HP)

- Gen 6 ZL1, whatever Gen 7 Corvette ZR-1 SC LT program was offered should go here (680hp)
i could certainly live with that
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Old 01-12-2013, 12:18 PM   #15
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Doesn't need to be faster, just more refined all around.

Better interior and materials. Better trunk. Better visibility.

Just fix the things this forum has been filled with for the last 3 years.

I recall very little complaining that the car wasn't fast enough.
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Old 01-12-2013, 01:05 PM   #16
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It won't get much faster than what it is now, remeber that GM will not make a car to rival the Corvette under any circumstance.
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Old 01-12-2013, 02:00 PM   #17
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IT won;t get much faster than what it is now, remeber that GM will not make a car to rival the Corvette under any circumstance.
Well I guess we have to tomorrow if that bar moves. C7 Corvette might be faster than the C6.
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Put the same power we have now in the ATS chassis and it would be amazing simply because of that. If they end up putting the LT1 in that thing with 450hp/450tq, its going to be absolutely killer.

I'd say wait and see what kind of performance numbers the next gen Mustang put up, and then figure the next Camaro to be in that ballpark.
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Old 01-14-2013, 08:40 AM   #19
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Out of the gate, a 6th gen only needs to be just enough faster than the outgoing level of 5th gen to be able to say so.

A tenth for those straightline numbers and maybe a quarter second per minute for the road courses would be "enough".


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...Gen 6 coupe at approx. 3,700 lbs with 450 HP LT1 should be around .3-.4 sec faster in the 1320 than the current Gen 5 coupe at 3,913 lbs with 426 HP LS3
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If its going to come out and not be faster than the competition off the showroom floor then go back to the drawing board, after all isn't that what it's all about bang for the buck ?



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...Gen 6 coupe at approx. 3,700 lbs with 450 HP LT1 should be around .3-.4 sec faster in the 1320 than the current Gen 5 coupe at 3,913 lbs with 426 HP LS3
Sounds about right.

I think final HP/Tq figures for the LT1 go up a little after certification.

But either way the LT1 will have a strong under the curve power advantage over the LS3. Put that in a lighter car and there is no doubt the 6th Gen Camaro will better the 5th Gen performance.
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Old 02-02-2013, 02:56 PM   #23
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Old 02-02-2013, 03:33 PM   #24
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Faster than a MUSTANG is all we need it to be.
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Old 02-02-2013, 04:11 PM   #25
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It may be slightly lower then 426hp or the same but it'll be on a lighter platform hopefully which will equate to faster times. Are we concerned with faster times or less hp #'s?
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