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Old 01-22-2013, 08:40 PM   #188
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In our conversation, I think both myself and tsnow was assuming both cars would loose some weight. But if it gains an IRS, the Mustang will undoubtedly loose less than what it could if they stayed with a SRA. So, by extension...I think all three of us agree with the probability that both cars could weigh within a hundred pounds or two of each other.

I would alter your list, though...just a little:

1. Brand Loyalty
2. Design/Emotional connection
3. Value
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7. Cost.

I do that only because sales seem indicate that people who have no brand loyalty (and even some who do) would rather buy the more expensive vehicle (Camaro), even without incentives, for one reason or another...I believe that reason to be entirely related to the design and feel of the car when driving.

If Chevy does a good job again, like they did with this car...cost will have less to do with it than we all would tend to think it does.
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Old 01-22-2013, 09:05 PM   #189
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Better seats like ctsV seats,
Armrests that you can actually rest your arm on both doors and center console.
Better DiC features, g meter, 1/4 mile time, lap timer, etc
Durable paint
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Old 01-22-2013, 10:32 PM   #190
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weight reduction. better seats that have more support(CTS-V seats are sex) 7L as the base SS motor, much better paint ( THIS PAINT IS DOLLAR STORE TERRIBLE ) Dont care about wheels and grill and little accessories, I plan to change all of those. and the 2010 steering wheel is much nicer than the one in my 13.
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:44 AM   #191
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Yea that too. All V8 models get 2mpg (the environment can suck it.), and the V6 models get 50mpg (the environment can suck it again.), and the turbo 4cyl can run on anything from premium to motor oil, getting 200mpg. (the environment can suck it two times!)

Uuuuuhhh oookay buddy. I drive 130km/h normally and I can still EASILY get anywhere from 9.5-11litres/100km most of the time. Thats 21-24mpg US. That's phenomenal for a 6.2 litre engine in a 3850lb car.
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:55 AM   #192
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1. Less weight (all models)
2. Blind spot monitors
3. Front parking sensors (ZL1)
4. Option for an upgraded audio
5. Better visibility (without styling compromises - I know...)
6. Twin turbo or Supercharger options (ZL1)
7. Maintain the Magnetic ride suspension on the ZL1 (outstanding)
8. Improve the center console (too much plastic)
9. Sun visors with extensions
10. Custom paint options (ZL1)
11. Exterior trim options (i.e. carbon fiber accents)
12. Some how find a way to match the exception style of the 5th gen (tall order)
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Old 01-23-2013, 01:26 AM   #193
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This is a hard one, I love the 5th Gen styling and power...just not the weight. I hope with the new alpha platform, weight won't be an issue. The 6th Gen should be more evolutionary and not revolutionary. Same styling, but more futuristic in mind. Power is always a plus, not necessarily to outdo the GT500, but something with power and control. I favor the road racer style more than the stop light to stop light mentality. I really like the 2015 Camaro render from Camaro Performers.

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Old 01-23-2013, 02:47 AM   #194
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6TH GEN CAMARO:

I had or rather still have a 2010 Camaro 2SS/RS, so obviously, whatever I have to suggest is from a 2010's perspective. If I mention something that is already out in a later model, then please do excuse my ignorance.

Here we go:

- Like the Corvette, give the Camaro its own identity. Subtle 'bowtie' touches are fine, however not like it is on the Camaro. Everyone knows a Camaro is a Chevy, like they do with the Vettes. Lets lose some of the bowies. Not all, just some. Perhaps the old school badges, "Camaro by Chevrolet".

- I agree with everyone else here, the paint is way too weak. Sometimes I feel I could walk past my car without even touching it and I could have very well left some scratches on the paint work.

- The ride height indeed can be lowered

- Vehicle needs a weight loss program.

- Vehicle needs nicer seats. In the sense something that is comfortable as is now, however also something that will hold you in place while cornering, rather than being flung against the door or passenger during the cornering.

- Magnetic ride like the CTS-V, ZR1, ZL1 and 1LE.

- A slightly bigger block, perhaps a 6.4L, 480HP-490HP (Might as well just round it off to 500HP!! )

- Tilting mirrors while vehicle is in reverse.

- A softer clutch pedal. I can't hold mine pushed in for more than 2-3 minutes. The pedal just springs back up!! My friend's Shelby, I can sit AAALLLLL day long with my foot rested on his clutch pedal and I wouldn't even twitch a muscle.

- Avoid cheap HOLLOW plastic on the interior, especially around the dash board. More quality material may be used like leather, aluminum and carbon fiber.

- I've grown used to it now but could seriously do with a new and improved design that attends to the "inside-out" visibility aspect of things.

- Include a 7"-8" screen head-unit with navigation, reverse camera and so on and so forth.

- I know the 2011's onward have HUD but since I don't because I was an earlier model, HUD would be nice right from the start.

- A dual clutch transmission for the automatic transmissions would be a first for an American car I imagine.

- Must retain the halo lights even in the 6th generation.

- Wider but lighter weight wheels.

- The car has a decent sized boot, but the access to it is ridiculously small. The access to the boot must be made bigger.

- Could also do with lane change assist and blind spot warnings.

- A nicer exhaust note with dual mode valves. It should sound something like what the new Corvette C7.

And that's all I can say from the top of my head... let's see what all we get to see in the 6th GEN CAMAROS!!!

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Old 01-23-2013, 11:04 AM   #195
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Here is my list after having my 2010 2SS for a few years
GM supported performance parts and calibrations like ford does with their FRPP performance packs. Including a calibration that kills AFM
Track Pack or 1LE option from the start of production
Mag ride control option on SS or Z28
HUD with performance information (1/4,0-60,g's) on all Models with HUD
Better Paint, Dual Mode exhaust option on all models from the start
Recaro Seats, Slotted rotors included on a 1LE like package.
Less weight and also better visibility
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Old 01-23-2013, 12:53 PM   #196
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As a Disciple I can take all of this to the Camaro Team... some are possible, some are not. You add goodies, you add weight, everything is give & take. They will ask...are you willing to pay the price?

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Old 01-23-2013, 01:24 PM   #197
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My wish list after owning a 2011 LS and now owning a 2012 1LT RS:

1. ATS platform (lighter)

2. twin turbo v6

3. better exhaust - take notes from the CORSA V6 system

4. More a la carte options - limited slip diff in auto v6, gear ratios, suspension choices (sport,cruise, etc) and definitely a firmer shift for the auto.
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Old 01-23-2013, 01:28 PM   #198
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Based upon the current industry trends and what consumers want since we are a have our cake and eat it too society, more power, higher crash test ratings, more safety features and higher fuel economy….

In order for the 6th Gen to meet those goals and show some significant weight loss from the current Camaro it will have to be developed as a smaller vehicle than it is now.
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Old 01-23-2013, 01:55 PM   #199
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As a Disciple I can take all of this to the Camaro Team... some are possible, some are not. You add goodies, you add weight, everything is give & take. They will ask...are you willing to pay the price?

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Janet, that's a fair question...but in response, I would ask the Camaro Team how much they are willing (and feasibly can) make optional on the sixth generation car. Obviously, every car-maker is moving more and more towards packages, and combining features into one big option to decrease complexity and lower costs...so I'm not asking for an a la carte checklist...but I'd be willing to pay some extra $$ to have a few more options.

I don't know how grounded in reality this request is...but I hope my thoughts came through coherently.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:05 PM   #200
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The Gen5 was made with a convertible in mind. Make the Gen6 with a T-top or targa roof in mind. This was my 6th Camaro, low on power but great on looks for '80. Functional hood scoop was also fun, maybe bring it back too and listen to it suck in the air.
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Old 01-23-2013, 02:28 PM   #201
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Janet, that's a fair question...but in response, I would ask the Camaro Team how much they are willing (and feasibly can) make optional on the sixth generation car. Obviously, every car-maker is moving more and more towards packages, and combining features into one big option to decrease complexity and lower costs...so I'm not asking for an a la carte checklist...but I'd be willing to pay some extra $$ to have a few more options.

I don't know how grounded in reality this request is...but I hope my thoughts came through coherently.
This is a question that we have posed regularly, I will bring it up again & see what they have to say. Yes, I understood

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Old 01-23-2013, 02:47 PM   #202
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I really like the 2015 Camaro render from Camaro Performers.

This render is awesome. And I'd prefer evolutionary styling with a futuristic edge. The render is exactly that.
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Old 01-23-2013, 03:02 PM   #203
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First of all the sun visors in my 2010 are laughable, but I understand why they are the way are. They should be improved. Interior lighting is also very limited. I believe there's a dealer installed option for foot well lighting, make this a factory installed standard as well as add some lighting on the rear interior passenger area. I don't know if the front passenger seat in the 2011 - 2013 make you feel like you're sitting in a hole but the do seem to sit lower than the drivers seat. Folding mirrors would also be a nice addition.
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Old 01-23-2013, 04:54 PM   #204
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Programmable seat memory, better sun visors, more ambient lighting options.
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