Go Back   CAMARO6 > CAMARO6.com General Forums > 2016 Camaro: 6th Gen Camaro forum, news, rumors, discussions

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-24-2013, 10:55 PM   #226
Sweet Z
 
Drives: 2013 ZL-1
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 57
Auto Temperature Setting
Better Lit Interior Buttons (garage doors, mirrors, etc.)
A/C Seats w/Memory Settings
7 Speed Dual-Clutch Automatic
All Wheel Drive
__________________
1969 Z11 Pace Car
1985 Black/Gold IROC-Z
1997 30th Anniversary SS
2002 35th Anniversary SS
2010 2SS/RS Hennessey HPE600 Conversion
Sweet Z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2013, 11:22 PM   #227
The IOM Ninja
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 10' IOM 2SS/RS, 13' GB Shelby GT500
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Sherwood Park, AB
Posts: 2,195
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweet Z View Post
Auto Temperature Setting
Better Lit Interior Buttons (garage doors, mirrors, etc.)
A/C Seats w/Memory Settings
7 Speed Dual-Clutch Automatic
All Wheel Drive
Why does everyone seem to think a DCT is an automatic.

A Dual Clutch is a computer shifted Manual Transmission.... completely different than an automatic, if anything it's Semi-Automatic..
The IOM Ninja is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2013, 11:38 PM   #228
Sweet Z
 
Drives: 2013 ZL-1
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja View Post
Why does everyone seem to think a DCT is an automatic.

A Dual Clutch is a computer shifted Manual Transmission.... completely different than an automatic, if anything it's Semi-Automatic..
Obviously, because one does not have to use their right hand to shift gears manually. It is done 'automatically' to the driver. Fine, to get technical, 7 speed dual clutch computer shifted transmission.
__________________
1969 Z11 Pace Car
1985 Black/Gold IROC-Z
1997 30th Anniversary SS
2002 35th Anniversary SS
2010 2SS/RS Hennessey HPE600 Conversion
Sweet Z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 12:57 AM   #229
The IOM Ninja
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 10' IOM 2SS/RS, 13' GB Shelby GT500
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Sherwood Park, AB
Posts: 2,195
Wish list for things to change on 6th generation Camaro?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweet Z View Post
Obviously, because one does not have to use their right hand to shift gears manually. It is done 'automatically' to the driver. Fine, to get technical, 7 speed dual clutch computer shifted transmission.
It's clear you've never driven a car with one because, even though a computer shifts for you (when you want it to), it is nothing like an automatic transmission in feel or reaction. If you are to buy a car with a DCT and approach it as if it is an automatic you will be seriously disappointed with it. It feels like you're driving a manual even when the computer shifts for you. That's the best way I can describe it. Also it's nothing like an auto because you have full control over what gear you want to be in. No locking out because you're at too low a speed.

Defiantly agree they need to get on board with it though
The IOM Ninja is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 05:44 AM   #230
Peet
 
Drives: Chrysler Minivan?
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: California
Posts: 16
Smaller. Lighter. Better fuel mileage. Perhaps I repeat myself!?
And a more serious instrument cluster.
Peet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 07:48 AM   #231
Mr. Wyndham
I used to be Dragoneye...
 
Mr. Wyndham's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Camaro 1LE
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 25,786
Send a message via AIM to Mr. Wyndham
Quote:
Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja View Post
It's clear you've never driven a car with one because, even though a computer shifts for you (when you want it to), it is nothing like an automatic transmission in feel or reaction. If you are to buy a car with a DCT and approach it as if it is an automatic you will be seriously disappointed with it. It feels like you're driving a manual even when the computer shifts for you. That's the best way I can describe it. Also it's nothing like an auto because you have full control over what gear you want to be in. No locking out because you're at too low a speed.

Defiantly agree they need to get on board with it though
Very unrefined...I think Porsche dropped it on some of their cars because, #1 - it couldn't handle the torque of High power engines...and #2 - low speed starts and rolling SUCK...

__________________
"Keep the faith." - - Read Before You Post.
SIGN UP for 2014 Camaro5 HPDE @ Gingerman Raceway!
Mr. Wyndham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 09:01 AM   #232
dlluinstra
David
 
dlluinstra's Avatar
 
Drives: 2010 LT2 RS Red Jewel Tint
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: E TN
Posts: 115
Move manual/tap shift of the automatic to the shift lever, just the move shift lever right or left to shift.
dlluinstra is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 09:16 AM   #233
Sweet Z
 
Drives: 2013 ZL-1
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja View Post
It's clear you've never driven a car with one because, even though a computer shifts for you (when you want it to), it is nothing like an automatic transmission in feel or reaction. If you are to buy a car with a DCT and approach it as if it is an automatic you will be seriously disappointed with it. It feels like you're driving a manual even when the computer shifts for you. That's the best way I can describe it. Also it's nothing like an auto because you have full control over what gear you want to be in. No locking out because you're at too low a speed.

Defiantly agree they need to get on board with it though
Actually I have a car that has a double clutch transmission, and if you put the car in 'D' mode, it feels exactly like a quality automatic transmission. The performance of the transmission depends on what sport mode that you put the car in, and if you just leave it in the standard mode, rather than a sport mode and/or shift with paddles, it drives like an automatic. Perhaps it is a matter of semantics - the car itself does feel like it is performing like a standard/manual transmission (aside from the fact that it shifts much quicker than the driver could), but the experience of driving while on the phone and drinking a cup of coffee is like an automatic, as in hands-off.
__________________
1969 Z11 Pace Car
1985 Black/Gold IROC-Z
1997 30th Anniversary SS
2002 35th Anniversary SS
2010 2SS/RS Hennessey HPE600 Conversion
Sweet Z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 09:21 AM   #234
Sweet Z
 
Drives: 2013 ZL-1
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham View Post
Very unrefined...I think Porsche dropped it on some of their cars because, #1 - it couldn't handle the torque of High power engines...and #2 - low speed starts and rolling SUCK...

Porsche's PDK transmission is probably one of the top 3 transmissions on a production car in the world. It can handle the all wheel drive 911 turbo, and there are a lot of things tweaking on acceleration in that car. Would love to have something like that on a 6th gen.
__________________
1969 Z11 Pace Car
1985 Black/Gold IROC-Z
1997 30th Anniversary SS
2002 35th Anniversary SS
2010 2SS/RS Hennessey HPE600 Conversion
Sweet Z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 09:24 AM   #235
Norm Peterson
corner barstool sitter
 
Norm Peterson's Avatar
 
Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 10 Legacy 2.5GT, ...
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Eastern Time Zone
Posts: 2,313
Sounds similar to what I've heard several times. DSG-type gearboxes may work very well under racing conditions, but aren't (yet) always refined in their low speed operation. Apparently there still are situations that "catch them out".


I'm probably always going to be a bit skeptical about any computer being able to anticipate exactly what and how "enthusiastically" I am going to do next - when I don't even always know that myself until I'm just about to do it. I doubt that I'm alone in this. But that's what any computer-controlled transmission and clutch (or anything else, for that matter) is going to have to be able to do - consistently - in order to work smoothly all the time.


Norm
Norm Peterson is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 09:49 AM   #236
Mr. Wyndham
I used to be Dragoneye...
 
Mr. Wyndham's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Camaro 1LE
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 25,786
Send a message via AIM to Mr. Wyndham
In any case....I don't know how likely this would be. GM appears to have thrown their chips into a bet on the 8-speed Hydramatic family they're developing...if the rumors are true.

I'd still opt for the manual for the pure fun-factor...so I wouldn't really be bothered either way.
__________________
"Keep the faith." - - Read Before You Post.
SIGN UP for 2014 Camaro5 HPDE @ Gingerman Raceway!
Mr. Wyndham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 10:01 AM   #237
The IOM Ninja
Account Suspended
 
Drives: 10' IOM 2SS/RS, 13' GB Shelby GT500
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Sherwood Park, AB
Posts: 2,195
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweet Z View Post
Actually I have a car that has a double clutch transmission, and if you put the car in 'D' mode, it feels exactly like a quality automatic transmission. The performance of the transmission depends on what sport mode that you put the car in, and if you just leave it in the standard mode, rather than a sport mode and/or shift with paddles, it drives like an automatic. Perhaps it is a matter of semantics - the car itself does feel like it is performing like a standard/manual transmission (aside from the fact that it shifts much quicker than the driver could), but the experience of driving while on the phone and drinking a cup of coffee is like an automatic, as in hands-off.
What car do you own? I drove an M3 and it was completely different than what your experience seems to be...
The IOM Ninja is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 10:29 AM   #238
snizzle
Recalled user
 
snizzle's Avatar
 
Drives: '12 2SS MT 45th AE
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 1,770
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham View Post
I'd still opt for the manual for the pure fun-factor...so I wouldn't really be bothered either way.
THIS. I don't even care if the auto is faster.
__________________

2012 2SS 45th AE LS3 M6

Borla ATAK Catback
Kooks Stepped LT Headers
CAI Intake
Hexvents
VMAX CNC Ported Throttle Body
RX Catch Can
Hurst Short Throw Shifter
Pfadt ZL-Spec Stage 3 Suspension
Forgestar F14
Tuned by Frost
snizzle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 10:56 AM   #239
Sweet Z
 
Drives: 2013 ZL-1
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja View Post
What car do you own? I drove an M3 and it was completely different than what your experience seems to be...
Boxster Spyder (not spyder as in convertible, the Spyder model). PDK transmission. When in sport plus mode, it will hold the RPMs right up to the red line, and it will not shift until it is there. When it does shift, it is extremely quick; almost instant it seems. When in standard mode, it just shifts through gears like an automatic transmission. Slower shifts, not as high RPMs before going to the next gear. While I realize that it is an SUV, I've driven an X5 M, which I thought has the same transmission as the M3. It seemed very similar to the PDK, except it didn't have a comparative setting to Sport Plus.
__________________
1969 Z11 Pace Car
1985 Black/Gold IROC-Z
1997 30th Anniversary SS
2002 35th Anniversary SS
2010 2SS/RS Hennessey HPE600 Conversion
Sweet Z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 11:39 AM   #240
Mr. Wyndham
I used to be Dragoneye...
 
Mr. Wyndham's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Camaro 1LE
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 25,786
Send a message via AIM to Mr. Wyndham
Quote:
Originally Posted by snizzle View Post
THIS. I don't even care if the auto is faster.
It's all about the driving experience for me. Speed has never been a priority, because I'm not winning money in competitions, and I'll never feel that .1 seconds different. ZL1 is the first manual-transmission car I've owned. So long as it's sporty and offers a manual - I don't expect I'll ever get an auto or even a DCT.

One is not "better" or "worse" than the other...it's a choice.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweet Z View Post
Boxster Spyder (not spyder as in convertible, the Spyder model). PDK transmission. When in sport plus mode, it will hold the RPMs right up to the red line, and it will not shift until it is there. When it does shift, it is extremely quick; almost instant it seems. When in standard mode, it just shifts through gears like an automatic transmission. Slower shifts, not as high RPMs before going to the next gear. While I realize that it is an SUV, I've driven an X5 M, which I thought has the same transmission as the M3. It seemed very similar to the PDK, except it didn't have a comparative setting to Sport Plus.
Quote:
Originally Posted by The IOM Ninja View Post
What car do you own? I drove an M3 and it was completely different than what your experience seems to be...
A lot of similar DCT / PDK / DSG transmissions marketed under the same names can be significantly different in feel/operation depending on the calibration and operating conditions.
__________________
"Keep the faith." - - Read Before You Post.
SIGN UP for 2014 Camaro5 HPDE @ Gingerman Raceway!
Mr. Wyndham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 12:40 PM   #241
proxemics
 
Drives: 09 shelby GT500
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: saudi Arabia
Posts: 162
smaller, lighter, bad ass looking,
__________________

2005 honda accord DD
2009 shelby GT500
1990 LS1 foxbody.Sold
1996 mustang GT.Sold
1994 corvette.Sold
2000 mustang.Sold
1987 camaro Z28.Sold
1985 Supra.Sold
2008 mustang GT.Sold
proxemics is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 02:56 PM   #242
Cmlloveless

 
Drives: 2010 2SS RS
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Winchester, Ca
Posts: 896
On a real note... truthfully they just need to bring the muscle car theme into the 21st century... for a $40k-$50k car you would expect the electronix to be up-to-date. Digital gauges with a retro look to them. In-dash Navi with DVD play back ability. LED lighting all the way around (incondescense is old news). HID's should be standard for the price. Last a more modern set of shoes... I know, I know they were going for a muscle car classic look on the wheels, but man are they bulky looking, even the new scions and kias have nicer wheels and electronics in them...

Shedding a few pounds wouldn't hurt either. I have no idea where to shed the weight from, but that would not be something for me to figure out for Chevy anyways.
Cmlloveless is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 05:56 PM   #243
Bhobbs


 
Bhobbs's Avatar
 
Drives: 1998 Camaro Z28, 1970 Chevelle
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Chino, CA
Posts: 2,441
Lighter weight
Rigid chassis
High revving engine that has a nice torque curve
Solid seats (manual is fine. I can adjust my own seats)
6 or 7 speed manual trans that shifts nicely.
Good paint
Forged aluminum wheels
Sticky tires
Stiff suspension
Good head lights
Cup holders somewhere other than right behind the shifter so I can have a cup in there and shift at the same time
Factory performance parts and tunes that don't void the warranty.
Bhobbs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 06:41 PM   #244
wildpaws

 
wildpaws's Avatar
 
Drives: 1999 Blazer
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Richmond, VA
Posts: 1,210
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bhobbs View Post
Lighter weight
Rigid chassis
High revving engine that has a nice torque curve
Solid seats (manual is fine. I can adjust my own seats)
6 or 7 speed manual trans that shifts nicely.
Good paint
Forged aluminum wheels
Sticky tires
Stiff suspension
Good head lights
Cup holders somewhere other than right behind the shifter so I can have a cup in there and shift at the same time
Factory performance parts and tunes that don't void the warranty.
Sounds like a good wish list to me!
Clyde
wildpaws is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 06:56 PM   #245
Gen5
 
Gen5's Avatar
 
Drives: Z28 2002 Maroon/Silver 1SS 2010
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: CA
Posts: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brian 1LE SS View Post
First off get the weight down by about 300lbs. The new LT1 should be good with a lighter car. Make the car narrower by about 3 inches. Shorter by 2 inches. Lower the belt line of the whole car about 2 inches. I am tired of these tall doors, quarter panels and fenders. Try to make visabilty better. I like the interior except for the dual gauge pods. Change those.

Right on Brian. It would be nice if it lost 500lbs. And PLEASE have functional VISORS....Smaller wheels (19 or 18 ) so those of us that race can get some rubber on them.

Brian, Are you going to race much this year. I am thinking about turning the 2010 into a 1LE..... Money........... See ya at the track

Those new GoodYears are great. I ordered 4 because Goodyear are not going to make anymore ?????? They have 144 275/40/17 left
Gen5 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 08:53 PM   #246
Russell James


 
Russell James's Avatar
 
Drives: '12 SS/RS LS3 IBM
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: SE Michigan
Posts: 3,363
For the V-8 model -

6.2L, keep the displacement the same, and hp at or near the Vette.

No AFM with the manual trans. Don't care if it is supposedly imperceptible, don't want it.

450ish hp base V-8 performance model, with a higher level performance model either supercharged or large cube 427.

Styling wise.... take a pro touring style '69 just like this one, and slightly modernize it. Stay with that retro first gen-ish styling. Don't overdo the rear with spaceshipy tail ligts/sharp angles.... like the new Corvette.

Russell James is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 09:59 PM   #247
Sweet Z
 
Drives: 2013 ZL-1
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 57
No AFM?

One thing that I see a lot of on this post is the suggestion of no AFM. That could possibly mean a gas guzzler tax. The ZL-1 has one, and it is a little bit of a pill to choke on when you have to pay a couple of grand for it. Just a consideration.....
__________________
1969 Z11 Pace Car
1985 Black/Gold IROC-Z
1997 30th Anniversary SS
2002 35th Anniversary SS
2010 2SS/RS Hennessey HPE600 Conversion
Sweet Z is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2013, 10:18 PM   #248
Mr. Wyndham
I used to be Dragoneye...
 
Mr. Wyndham's Avatar
 
Drives: 2014 Camaro 1LE
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 25,786
Send a message via AIM to Mr. Wyndham
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russell James View Post
No AFM with the manual trans. Don't care if it is supposedly imperceptible, don't want it.
Just curious for your thoughts - what if you could turn it off via a button/mode setting from the factory?
__________________
"Keep the faith." - - Read Before You Post.
SIGN UP for 2014 Camaro5 HPDE @ Gingerman Raceway!
Mr. Wyndham is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 11:09 AM   #249
liberty
Garage Queens - Not
 
liberty's Avatar
 
Drives: '78 Camaro Z28, '80 Camaro Z28
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Florida
Posts: 84
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sweet Z View Post
One thing that I see a lot of on this post is the suggestion of no AFM. That could possibly mean a gas guzzler tax. The ZL-1 has one, and it is a little bit of a pill to choke on when you have to pay a couple of grand for it. Just a consideration.....
Good point. Big Brother says: You WILL have AFM or 4-cylinder turbos or battery power or gas guzzler tax – just because.
liberty is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-26-2013, 12:18 PM   #250
Sweet Z
 
Drives: 2013 ZL-1
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Arkansas
Posts: 57
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham View Post
Just curious for your thoughts - what if you could turn it off via a button/mode setting from the factory?
They already have that. You push it with your right foot :>
__________________
1969 Z11 Pace Car
1985 Black/Gold IROC-Z
1997 30th Anniversary SS
2002 35th Anniversary SS
2010 2SS/RS Hennessey HPE600 Conversion
Sweet Z is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Tags
2015 camaro, 2015 camaro forum, 2015 camaro forums, 2015 chevrolet camaro, 2015 chevy camaro, 2016 camaro, 2016 camaro forum, 2016 camaro forums, 2016 chevrolet camaro, 2016 chevy camaro, 2017 camaro, 2017 chevy camaro, 6 gen camaro, 6th gen camaro, 6th gen camaro forum, 6th gen camaro forums, 6th gen camaro info, 6th gen camaro news, 6th gen camaro rumors, 6th gen chevrolet camaro, 6th gen chevy camaro, 6th gen chevy camaro forum, 6th generation camaro, 6th generation camaro info, 6th generation camaro news, 6th generation camaro rumors, 6th generation chevy camaro, camaro 6th gen, camaro 6th generation

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:04 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.