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Old 12-21-2012, 12:29 PM   #151
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GM recently invested $185 million to support the launch of two new products on the flex line as well: the all-new Cadillac XTS and the next-generation Chevrolet Impala scheduled to launch in 2013...

I believe the "flex line" refers to the Oshawa plant.
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Why? They're producing four other cars in addition to Camaro.
There is a second thread that needs to have this information too. So many ill informed people think when the Camaro leaves the plant will shut down and all the workers will be jobless. Which is untrue.
Mike Judge (Super60) has no ill will so everyone needs to read the artical before passing judgement on GM.
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Old 12-21-2012, 12:40 PM   #152
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Flame me if you want, but I am not real pleased with this. I am planning on upgrading my LT2 to a Z28, if and when it is made. I am impressed with the quality of my 2010. It has not given me any trouble and I salute the Oshawa plant. On the ohter hand, I blame the UAW in large part for the failure of American built cars. Just recently those guys that got fired for drinking and smoking dope at lunch were just rehired at a judages orders. I do not trust them at all.

Please dont screw up my Camaro.
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Old 12-21-2012, 02:51 PM   #153
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If you mean the right to work for less pay, less benefits, decreased on-job safety, then WHOOPIE !
It means being able to CHOOSE if you want to belong to a union or not.
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Old 12-21-2012, 05:41 PM   #154
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Sad day in Oshawa losing the rights to build the Camaro,best of luck Michigan,I hope we still get the same Quality.
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Old 12-21-2012, 08:27 PM   #155
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I love my Oshawa built SS...glad to see they are not shuttering the plant. They do great work up there.
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Ironic I posted this (below) up tonight on FACEBOOK "CAMARO OWNERS" Group.

What makes your Camaro great? Since it is the holiday season I want to say a couple of quick things about my car and why I think it rocks!

Orange Krate has a blog on another popular website (Camaro5). The history behind the car is totally covered on the blog and pretty much everything about Orange Krate is documented in photos and some of my life history behind the purchase.

But that is not what makes Orange Krate special. What does? It is the LOVE behind each and every Camaro that comes down that assembly line in Oshawa, Canada. The people at the assembly plant have an outstanding product and attitudes to go with it.

One of the line supervisors (Mike Judge) started a tradition with the Gen 5 by creating a limited number of lithographs, numbering them and giving them to a lucky recipient who may be totally shocked (as I was) by receiving one. The lithograph and other two documents are original wet ink signatures by many of those folks who built Orange Krate. You just don't see that occur in the mass auto market these days. The documents show the date and VIN of the car too as well as Orange Krate's
name.

I was shocked, ecstatic, surprised and overwhelmed all rolled into one, to receive Lithograph #182 after I took ownership of my car and I value these documents above all other things Camaro! Why? Because it is the people who make this car that make it great and the people in this group that keep the LEGEND alive!

Go Camaro, Oshawa team and Camaro Owners!

MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR one and all.

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Old 12-21-2012, 09:29 PM   #156
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One of the line supervisors (Mike Judge) started a tradition with the Gen 5 by creating a limited number of lithographs, numbering them and giving them to a lucky recipient who may be totally shocked (as I was) by receiving one. The lithograph and other two documents are original wet ink signatures by many of those folks who built Orange Krate. You just don't see that occur in the mass auto market these days. The documents show the date and VIN of the car too as well as Orange Krate's
name.

I was shocked, ecstatic, surprised and overwhelmed all rolled into one, to receive Lithograph #182 after I took ownership of my car and I value these documents above all other things Camaro! Why? Because it is the people who make this car that make it great and the people in this group that keep the LEGEND alive!

Go Camaro, Oshawa team and Camaro Owners!

MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR one and all.

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Old 12-21-2012, 09:47 PM   #157
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Glad to hear it.....
Sounds like spread the love Canada had it now its back in the states....
Besides one couldn't keep having Ford yapping it up about Mustangs being built in Detroit......
You could see this coming........

Canada has plenty of work and the US now has both Flagships built in the USA..... win win
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Old 12-22-2012, 01:54 PM   #158
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In an effort to shed a little more light on this news, Camaro team put me in contact with Bill Grotz, who is the Communications Manager for Manufacturing and Labor, to answer a few short questions on the matter.

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Q: What factors led to this decision being made to move Camaro production?

A: Choosing to move 6th generation Camaro production to the Lansing facility was based on a comprehensive business case. That boils down to lower capital investment (like facilities, tooling, equipment), and improved production efficiency. Obviously, the Camaro is the only RWD car at Oshawa. By moving production to Lasing Grand River, it allows us to consolidate three RWD programs in one factory: the Cadillac ATS, CTS, and Chevy Camaro.

[I also brought up “right-to-work” because some people on the forum have brought it up. Bill was very clear that this policy change had absolutely nothing to do with this decision, and offered no further comment on the matter.]

Q: Why the sudden announcement? Did anything prompt it?

A: Timing was right for our business to make this announcement.

Q: What can you tell those of us who’d like to become more familiar with the Lansing Grand River factory?

A: You can visit our facility directory on the GM website. Lansing Grand River has its own webpage that has lots of information you might be interested in!

http://media.gm.com/media/us/en/gm/c...embly/lgr.html


[Among other things you can read on that page, Lansing is one of GM’s newest plants in North America, and has won the J.D. Power and Associates Bronze Plant Award for initial quality]
A big thanks to Bill for taking the time to speak with me!
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Old 12-23-2012, 09:47 AM   #159
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I am very proud of my Oshawa built Camaro, but I like the idea of the Camaro being built stateside.
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Old 12-24-2012, 04:40 AM   #160
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Why? They're producing four other cars in addition to Camaro.
Labor is off the chart expensive.
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Old 12-24-2012, 08:54 AM   #161
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Labor is off the chart expensive.
And there isn't production capacity anywhere else to make up for Oshawa if it did shut down.
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:03 AM   #162
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Ironic I posted this (below) up tonight on FACEBOOK "CAMARO OWNERS" Group.

What makes your Camaro great? Since it is the holiday season I want to say a couple of quick things about my car and why I think it rocks!

Orange Krate has a blog on another popular website (Camaro5). The history behind the car is totally covered on the blog and pretty much everything about Orange Krate is documented in photos and some of my life history behind the purchase.

But that is not what makes Orange Krate special. What does? It is the LOVE behind each and every Camaro that comes down that assembly line in Oshawa, Canada. The people at the assembly plant have an outstanding product and attitudes to go with it.

One of the line supervisors (Mike Judge) started a tradition with the Gen 5 by creating a limited number of lithographs, numbering them and giving them to a lucky recipient who may be totally shocked (as I was) by receiving one. The lithograph and other two documents are original wet ink signatures by many of those folks who built Orange Krate. You just don't see that occur in the mass auto market these days. The documents show the date and VIN of the car too as well as Orange Krate's
name.

I was shocked, ecstatic, surprised and overwhelmed all rolled into one, to receive Lithograph #182 after I took ownership of my car and I value these documents above all other things Camaro! Why? Because it is the people who make this car that make it great and the people in this group that keep the LEGEND alive!

Go Camaro, Oshawa team and Camaro Owners!

MERRY CHRISTMAS and HAPPY NEW YEAR one and all.

Jim
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Thank You and all the best to you and your family for 2013

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Old 12-26-2012, 02:34 PM   #163
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Annex Canada. Problem solved. They're our cousins already anyway.
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:07 PM   #164
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Why are you surprised by the announcement?
, I would think the sales might suffer after they annouced the 6th gen is coming out, People will wait unless they really add something special in the 5th gen car. Which looks like they are doing, So i am hoping all will remain good with sales
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Old 12-26-2012, 07:36 PM   #165
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I was annoyed when I discovered it was made in Canada, and I even live right on the Canadian boarder. Its just because its a Camaro, supposed to be as American as apple pie. Now I can lie and say its made in the US.
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Not sure if I really wanted to resurrect this thread, but I figured that this article in the Windsor Star was pertinent to the discussion. Perhaps it may settle some of the speculation (or, I hope not,incite more) that went on here earlier:



Costs hinder replacing Camaro in Oshawa



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General Motors' decision to pull production of the next generation Chevrolet Camaro out of Oshawa does not signal the inevitable decline of the plant, but high costs in Canada make it harder to move another vehicle there, says the company's most senior executive in Canada.

It is possible production to replace the Camaro could be moved there, but "it requires a lot of things to happen," GM Canada president and managing director Kevin Williams said during a media session at the North American International Auto Show on Monday.

He pointed out that Oshawa is making some of the company's most important vehicles, such as the next generation Chevrolet Impala and Cadillac XTS. He also hinted that GM's future plans for Oshawa will hinge on finding ways to cut costs.

The decision to move Camaro to a plant in Lansing, Mich., consolidates production of rear-wheel drive cars and the business case was so compelling GM didn't have to think twice or consult with the union and governments, Williams said.

"In terms of the competitiveness of Canada, there's no mistake that Canada continues to be the highest cost producer for GM anywhere else in the world. Our labour costs are among the highest. We've got to continue to work with our union partners to make sure that we continue to make it the best place we can possibly do vehicles," he said.

Canadian Auto Workers president Ken Lewenza none of that has been conveyed to him since GM announced the decision on Dec. 19.

"It's blatantly, blatantly disrespectful that they made a decision on cost when in contract bargaining (in September) they suggested they maintained a competitive process" in Oshawa, he said.

"It borders on bad faith bargaining," said Lewenza, who is scheduled to meet with GM's vice-president of global manufacturing Tim Lee on Jan. 21 in Detroit to discuss the decision.

The CAW will not open up its new contract to get the Camaro production replaced by another vehicle, he said. The union expects it will cost about 1,000 jobs in Oshawa if nothing replaces the Camaro when the current model production ends in 2015 or 2016.

GM, which is entering its fourth year post-bankruptcy, is restructuring to be as lean and efficient as possible, said Williams.

The company has exceeded all the commitments it made in exchange for receiving $10.6 billion from the federal and Ontario governments during its U.S. bankruptcy, he said.

GM made the right decision to move Camaro to make productions more efficient, said Toronto-based auto analyst Dennis DesRosiers.

But the company bungled the announcement last month by failing to bring the CAW and government in well ahead of time to get them onside, he said.

"The reality is the North American market has such a significant upside growth over the next three to five years that General Motors needs every bit of capacity they could possibly find in their North American system," DesRosiers said.

"The Camaro production will be matched car-for-car within a quarter or two quarters. If they don't, General Motors walks from market share," he said.

The market is going up 500,000 to a million units a year in North America and automakers that want to grab some of those sales need to pump up production, DesRosiers said.

"I don't think they're abandoning Canada, but they certainly aren't committing any more than they have to Canada. It's mostly just an issue of economics," said Tony Faria, co-director the Office of Automotive and Vehicle Research at the University of Windsor's Odette School of Business.

GM put $185 million into its flexible manufacturing in Oshawa, where it is expected to add a third shift early this year to assemble the Cadillac XTS and next generation Chevrolet Impala. That is creating 900 jobs, but in mid2014 GM is shutting down its consolidated plant in Oshawa which currently employs 750 workers.

Second-tier workers hired in Lansing, Mich., to build the next generation of the Cama-ro will start at US$15.78 per hour and top out at US$19.28 in four years, compared to the $34.33 autoworkers on the line make in Oshawa, Faria noted. The situation is the same in Spring Hill, Tenn., where overflow of the Chevrolet Equinox is being built compared to the Oshawa and CAMI plants in Canada.

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There it is. The floor is now open to intelligent and respectful discussion...
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I hope they use key folks from Canada to train the new to the Camaro, workers in the Michigan plant?
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Old 03-26-2013, 11:58 AM   #170
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I love the new Camaro!! I just want to say I posted on the Gm site an Idea I have for more HP for all the supercharged cars Gm produces. It would consist of a air conditioned charged intercooler? Either electric or already in place air conditioning ? with a control valve the would provide the intercooler with the charge when needed. When you need it turn it on ? or electric would not rob you of Hp in time of need . I would estimate at least a 25 % increase i Hp. If needed . I wish they or someone else would incorporate this into their program? I have sent myself a letter of intent . to safe guard my Idea so I can help others in need ,and buy more Camaros!!
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I hope that the 6th Gen still has some hope, that design direction doesn't hinder sales

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It amazes me that the NLRB is not jumping all over this. It was the NLRB that jumped all over Boeing trying to build a production plan in South Carolina because it was a right to work state.

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Old 03-31-2013, 06:57 PM   #173
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Canada and the US have partnered in building GM products for many years. I certainly feel for those who have been assembling the present generation of Camaro. You have done so with pride and many have been happy with their purchase and have great pride in their car. MY brother built Camaro's in Van Nuys Ca for several years and is now retired. I, as well as my father have also built cars for GM for many years. Combined, we have invested 84 years building cars in a GM plant. I hope those of you who have put your heart and soul into this car will have continued success in future models. Those of you who will built the next generation of Camaro have a golden opportunity to make the entire world demand a car made in North America rather than the global competition that has dogged us for decades. Good luck. As an idea for you guys up north. The very last car to leave the GM South Gate Assembly Plant was a White Cadillac Cimarron.. I have no idea where that car would be today but written inside the door panels are the signatures of hundreds of employees who worked in that place for so many years to include that of the Plant Manager. It was a sad day to see the doors close there. As a kid I wanted so much to buld cars there and when I had the chance I was all over it. We had Buick 425's, Chevy 409's and 396's and some others that were just stacked to the roof. It was like being in heaven.

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Good news. Perhaps this means the 6th generation will finally be able to have a decent medium blue.
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It amazes me that the NLRB is not jumping all over this. It was the NLRB that jumped all over Boeing trying to build a production plan in South Carolina because it was a right to work state.

Policies. We must change.
Um, I understand what you're getting at, but I think you're overlooking one important detail: The NLRB is a US Federal entity. It has no jurisdiction over a foreign country, which Canada happens to be. And it would look a little silly if our federal government was fighting to keep jobs from coming to the US. Bottom line, Canadian union workers can't vote in American Presidential elections- yet. Give them time, I'm sure they're working on that.
As for the Boeing thing, that was purely political. Being in a Boeing employed family (Machinist Union), I can tell you jobs were not lost here in the Seattle area as a result of SC. As a matter of fact, Boeing has been hiring throughout the whole thing. They (NLRB) were all ready to nail Boeing to the wall, when somebody realized it wouldn't look good for the administration to close a new plant down in an economically depressed area, just before an election. Just as quickly, the case was dropped. I'm sure the Union donors got, or will get their payback elsewhere.
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