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Old 12-03-2012, 06:38 PM   #76
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I test drove an ATS with the turbo 2.0L 4cyl. It's just as quick as the Camaro V6, and I drove an automatic ATS (my Camaro is stick). I'm sure it would have felt quicker with the stick.

The ATS goes around corners way better than my Camaro. The difference is crazy. I'd pick a turbo ATS dressed up as a Camaro over what I have right now, and that's essentially what we'll get with the 6th gen.
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Old 12-03-2012, 06:43 PM   #77
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And how do you know the next Camaro won't also look beautiful and also still have big cojones under the hood (albeit with the additional option for smaller/more efficient engines)? You don't.
It is going to be hard to top this beauty!!! Even Scott (F-Bodfather) mentioned that at are meeting !!
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:12 PM   #78
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4 cylinder Camaro= GARBAGE!!!!!
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:16 PM   #79
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And how do you know the next Camaro won't also look beautiful and also still have big cojones under the hood (albeit with the additional option for smaller/more efficient engines)? You don't.
No one in here can honestly tell me that the Regal 2.0T isn't fast. No one in here can honestly tell me the Cobalt 2.0T wasn't fast. GM didn't do this to the current Camaro due to simple physics. Mass requires a certain amount of acceleration to move the way a Camaro moves. With less mass, less acceleration is necessary to still be fun.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:16 PM   #80
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One more from my friend Terminator 2 that tuned this Sky. 368 hp, stock turbo 4 banger LNF. 4.1 sec 60-100.



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I want a V-8 in my Camaro too, just saying it's a viable alternative for the current V-6 replacement.

I'm not sold on the DI due to valve coking issues, I fought it for the 65k miles I had on my LNF. Also lost a DI injector seal or two at 40k on an ethanol blend. Seals have improved since 2008.

I've owned V-8 musclecars since my '65 Malibu SS in '74 but the tuned LNF was the fastest thing I ever had. It would walk away from Phat Bee 60-100.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:20 PM   #81
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To me, the 5th gen is one of the best looking cars on the road. Having said that, I can't wait to see what they do with the alpha platform. I don't think they can mess it up, I have no doubt it will look great.
Here's what I think it will be..

Base: 2.0T 280-300HP, 3300lbs $22k
SS: LT1 V8 470HP, 3500lbs $30k
Z28: LT4 v8 600HP, 3600 lbs $50k

When the ATSV comes out with what I'm guessing will be a na LT1, we will see a preview of what a 6th gen SS will run like.
They may squeeze a 3.6 in there somewhere, but I don't see where it would be needed.
I think they are getting away from offering 5 different engines in the same car.
I don't see why so many of you are so hell bent against a 4 cylinder. If you don't like it, just get the v8. But MOST people that just want a Camaro because its a nice car and they like the way it looks, its a great idea. Same concept as the 5th gen 3.6, most people that drive them have no idea what engine is in it, and never go past 50% throttle or past 4k rpm. And that's fine, that's what they like. The extra mpg is just an extra kicker for them.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:34 PM   #82
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And how do you know the next Camaro won't also look beautiful and also still have big cojones under the hood (albeit with the additional option for smaller/more efficient engines)? You don't.

I'm just happy that there will be a 6th Gen. and the car won't get canned again!
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:40 PM   #83
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'You people' that you are referring too are pretty familiar.. Doesn't mean we want a 2.0T in a Camaro. Let me say that again, a CAMARO.

What's more important to sales? Your opinion (as a seller) or our opinion (as your target market). Now I'm no marketing major, but I think it goes without saying that our opinion is far more important.
1) A ton of people in this thread have already stated that they're fine with a 2.0T Camaro. Again, it's not like they're eliminating the V8. The 2.0T will be the base engine.
2) A 2.0T Alpha-based Camaro would perform as well as or perhaps BETTER than an LFX Zeta-based Camaro.
3) Target markets evolve. Considering what Ford and the rest of the competition is doing, the 2.0T is right in line with expectations.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:50 PM   #84
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Sooo...if you want to save gas why do you buy muscle cars in the first place?
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:54 PM   #85
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1) A ton of people in this thread have already stated that they're fine with a 2.0T Camaro. Again, it's not like they're eliminating the V8. The 2.0T will be the base engine.
2) A 2.0T Alpha-based Camaro would perform as well as or perhaps BETTER than an LFX Zeta-based Camaro.
3) Target markets evolve. Considering what Ford and the rest of the competition is doing, the 2.0T is right in line with expectations.
Amen.

Glad to see not everyone here is a knucklehead lol. Gives me a great big laugh when I see people saying the 5th gen will be the pinnacle of Camaro performance and its all downhill from here.

The only thing I see stopping the 6th gen from kicking major performance butt is if GM simply never makes another generation of Camaro.....due to a failing economy or something very bad like that.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:57 PM   #86
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Sooo...if you want to save gas why do you buy muscle cars in the first place?
Because we have the technology to do both.
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Old 12-03-2012, 07:57 PM   #87
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...lol...a four banger Camaro...gotta get suzy-secretary and the ricer crowd on board for the greater good of the Camaro's future. I'm glad it will be a sixth gen and not associated with the fifth...too bad, all in all...The 2010 SS Camaros put these cars on the map, not a six or a four-banger, and made them something special...Next gen, not so much...

...Just go along with it and say the four cylinder is "awesome", "a great idea", etc....The advance propaganda machine and those with a vested interest in seeing it built won't allow you to think otherwise...lol...
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:17 PM   #88
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I figure they have enough vehicles in their fleet to meet consumer demand.

Molestation comes to mind when I think about a 4 banger in a 6th gen.
You could throw one in a veyron....but why:bangdesk:
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:34 PM   #89
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My worry will be they turn the Camaro as we 5th owners know it, into a 3/4 size wanna be. I love the body style of this car and fear they will shrink it way to much to lose that weight. I dont know maybe i am old school , but a 4 banger in a Camaro just doesn't seem right , save it for the other cars. keep the V-6 and V-8.. going to a 4cyl, is not needed .And please dont make it a mini-Camaro. ugghh
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:10 PM   #90
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I would not be interested in a 4 banger Camaro. Even if my car were a DD, (it's not) I would want a V8. I had a 3rd gen with a 4 pop in it and that lasted about 6 months had to trade for a RS with the 305. I don't care if they put out a twin turbo 500 hp 4 cylinder, no thanks I would pass.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:12 PM   #91
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Now that I think about it maybe that 3rd gen was a 6 banger, either way it was a DAWG!!
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:20 PM   #92
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I don't know GM's plans, but if I were planning GM's future development, I would build a base 2.0T, a 3.6L V6, a 3.6T V6 (Eco-Boost-fighter to be labelled as a traditional Z28 or alternative SS), a 6.2L SS V8, and a 6.2L V8 supercharged all as engine options. At least 3 should be available initially, including the 4-banger, the V6, and the lower V8 model with each new addition coming out within months of one another. Additional suspension and trim packages should be available as special editions.

I know you'll hate my SS argument from above, so I'm simply pointing out that the SS trim is not inherent to V8s, and it represents performance. If a car performs in the Chevrolet line, give it the SS moniker, especially if it beats up the mainstream competition.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:38 PM   #93
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I don't know GM's plans, but if I were planning GM's future development, I would build a base 2.0T, a 3.6L V6, a 3.6T V6 (Eco-Boost-fighter to be labelled as a traditional Z28 or alternative SS), a 6.2L SS V8, and a 6.2L V8 supercharged all as engine options. At least 3 should be available initially, including the 4-banger, the V6, and the lower V8 model with each new addition coming out within months of one another. Additional suspension and trim packages should be available as special editions.

I know you'll hate my SS argument from above, so I'm simply pointing out that the SS trim is not inherent to V8s, and it represents performance. If a car performs in the Chevrolet line, give it the SS moniker, especially if it beats up the mainstream competition.
I wouldn't mind that if the power went like this:
2.0T 275-300 hp (with a GMPP tune being an option)
3.6L 320-340 hp
3.6T 370-400 hp
5.5L V8 with 430hp and a track package
6.2 with 475hp as a drag option
6.2L S/C 580-620 hp

Those with weight reductions could be rather impressive, and you could run 3 engines.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:56 PM   #94
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I wouldn't mind that if the power went like this:
2.0T 275-300 hp (with a GMPP tune being an option)
3.6L 320-340 hp
3.6T 370-400 hp
5.5L V8 with 430hp and a track package
6.2 with 475hp as a drag option
6.2L S/C 580-620 hp

Those with weight reductions could be rather impressive, and you could run 3 engines.
The beauty of this scenario is that you have some serious tuner platforms for everyone's budget.
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Old 12-03-2012, 09:59 PM   #95
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The Solstice 2.0 turbo was a blast to drive. I got the NA version since I did not trust the turbo for longevity. I am a flight instructor, and fly far better turbos in the planes. They are not reliable. After talking to some owners who have had them for awhile, seems the 2.0 is pretty good. If they get rid of the fat, it might be a good alternative.
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:02 PM   #96
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:04 PM   #97
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Because we have the technology to do both.
That's called utilizing a manual or getting the L99... a Muscle car doesn't come with a V6 IMO, unless my Monte is a muscle car?
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Old 12-03-2012, 10:25 PM   #98
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That's called utilizing a manual or getting the L99... a Muscle car doesn't come with a V6 IMO, unless my Monte is a muscle car?
Ever heard of a Grand National? A lot of people will argue that its one of the best muscle cars.
How about a 89 TTA?

Also a Camaro isn't technicaly a muscle car. Those are cars like a Chevelle, Impala SS,Buick GN GSX, etc.
The fbodies were meant to fast and handle better than those cars.
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Ever heard of a Grand National? A lot of people will argue that its one of the best muscle cars.
How about a 89 TTA?
Ever heard of IMO also known as in my opinion? Like it's already been said, there's a V8... LS3 or L99... why do they need a 4 cylinder or a 6 cylinder in a MUSCLE car when they have the V8?
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Ever heard of IMO also known as in my opinion? Like it's already been said, there's a V8... LS3 or L99... why do they need a 4 cylinder or a 6 cylinder in a MUSCLE car when they have the V8?
IMO, some people want the looks of the "muscle car" but don't care about performance.
Some can have their v8s and the rest can have their smaller engines. Everyones happy.
Some people will argue that a real truck doesn't run on gas. Don't like a 4cyl, buy the v8.
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