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Old 03-15-2012, 07:43 PM   #71
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The elephant in the room seems to be that while cars are getting safer, they are burning more gas because they are heavier, and it will take more powerful engines to push these heavy cars down the road. So while they tout EPA numbers - the problem is that it's harder to meet CAFE requirements if they are just making cars heavier and heavier. Maybe instead of just adding material they should figure out how to reinforce the structure better so that they can add less and it will hold its shape better in a crash.

Just my thoughts on the matter - I could be wrong.

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Look at the new Cadillac ATS on the new Alpha platform. They are saying the turbo 4 weighs in at just over 3,300 lbs with the V6 weighing in the 3,400lb range.

Make the next Camaro similar to this size (no smaller) and I don't see why they can't keep a V6 Camaro in the 3,400lb or so range as well...and from that I don't see why they couldn't keep an SS under 3,600 lbs.
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Old 03-15-2012, 07:56 PM   #72
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Do like Charger and upgrade the current successful model..... I would make it lighter but not to small because us BIG BOYS like the car because it is one of the only ones we can fit in LOL
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Old 03-15-2012, 08:15 PM   #73
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To start off I get the V8 or V6 debate . Sure everyone here wants a V8 and I understand the reasoning. On the flip side it would not take much for GM to upgrade the V6 to have 350 rwhp and 320 rwtq. Those numbers arent hyperbowl, they could be done with a single turbo and a mild tune. Yes it is not a V8, Yes it sounds different, but on the otherside it is fast and (I dont know who would care) you can get good gas mileage. I think if GM could hit 13.5 and 0-60 in say 5.8 seconds then why not a V6 for the next gen. I understand the its not an import, yes its not and GM uses the 6 in alot of other cars.
I say if they build a Z28 with a V6 that has those kind of numbers sound or not count me in. I cant wait to see the whine when cars go electric, the debate would go like, " I would rather have a 8 cell insted of a 6 cell." haha...
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:28 PM   #74
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It is impossible to discuss automobiles/Camaros without the inclusion, and hopefully removal, of the 800 pound gorilla in the equation.

GM never fully recovered from the initial illegitimate mandates for fuel economy that brought us Vegas and Pintos, to the current situation of a bankrupted GM. The EPA, NHTSA, DOT, ad infinitum, have no legitimate authority to determine the vehicle I drive - especially while being forced to pay bureaucrats' bloated salaries. There is a L99 because of mandates, and the fear of the Gas Guzzler tax – not GM's wishes.

Most manufactures are being forced into 4-cylinder engines – kiss most V8's goodbye. Then to ad to the absurd mandates, the ludicrousness of being subjected to a "gas guzzler" tax.

I don't let my cleaning lady run my life - but big government is determining the flush capacity of my toilet and the vehicles I can purchase, with the present dire consequences, and Camaros costing 40K.

I can't wait for my US Trabant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:36 PM   #75
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I could care less what a Mustang does...I like the Camaro and that is what I bought and would buy again. I do like Russell's thought of a total retro....1st Gens are just Bad Assed
Exactly what I said. I don't like Mustangs. I like Camaros, and I did buy another as of Yesterday. Inferno Orange!
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:46 PM   #76
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Was it strange that he said something like: "He didn't mention it, but the 2015 Mustang has the potential to surpass the Camaro"? Didn't Mustang always have the potential to surpass the Camaro? Does he know something about the 2015 Mustang that would make it surpass the Camaro? GM needs to make sure that doesn't happen if at all possible.
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Old 03-15-2012, 09:47 PM   #77
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My first Camaro was a 2nd Gen and I loved it. However, I think we should let the 70's stay in the 70's. I would not want to see a 2016 model looking like a 45 year old car. Retro was cool for the 5th Gen and it's release was timed perfectly to take advantage of current retro fads. But how long will retro styling continue to be in vogue? I say lets look forward for the 6th Gen. Give us something new and exciting.
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Old 03-15-2012, 10:07 PM   #78
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Well I think I will have start making more room I got 3 years.
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Old 03-15-2012, 11:36 PM   #79
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Basing it on the 2nd gen is a great idea.

Make it lower, lighter, and generally smaller than the 1st gen, but keep the 6.2 litre engine.

The 2nd gen with split bumper and RS fog lights was a beautiful car!
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Old 03-15-2012, 11:44 PM   #80
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I really hope if they take any styling cues from the second gen that they are minimal. I could see that horrible render coming to fruition :vomit: it would be a horrid sight, IMO they should take development even more serious then this generation! Time and effort are a good start to success
they haaaaave to make it just like this

















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Old 03-16-2012, 02:44 AM   #81
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Goodness no. LOL.
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Old 03-16-2012, 05:30 AM   #82
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[QUOTE=cam fan;4653411]they haaaaave to make it just like this




I think that would be a flop for GM. I really don't see what people saw in the second generation. The Mustang is going to be a modern sports car next. GM can't make something that looks like a frog as a competition.
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Old 03-16-2012, 06:38 AM   #83
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I think that would be a flop for GM. I really don't see what people saw in the second generation. The Mustang is going to be a modern sports car next. GM can't make something that looks like a frog as a competition.
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Old 03-16-2012, 07:55 AM   #84
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As someone whose first car was a 1970, I liked them, then in 1974 it started to go downhill, they attached a railroad tie to the front for a bumper.
Why not just do as Smokey Yunick did in nascar - a 7/8th scale car, smaller size, keep room for V8, give us better visibility, lighter weight, my 1970 was closer to 3100 lbs, just like the Corvette.
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