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Old 03-15-2012, 03:27 PM   #51
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Remember when you saw the concept Camaro backin in 2006? I remember where I was, and that I had to have one. I would love to have that same moment once again.
That's the spirit that caught me too! The challenge I see is that the 2006 concept was the first car since the 60's that made me say.... "DAYUUUM".... gotta have one of those as soon as they put some serious horsepower in it. (and Voila....... ZL1). "Opportunity" and "Readiness" collided with the 2012 ZL1. Sometimes it happens only once in a generation.......
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Old 03-15-2012, 03:51 PM   #52
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Anybody want a true fastback with no quarter windows? Looked good on the 2nd gens, but I only liked the 70-73's.
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:03 PM   #53
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I think GM should concentrate on the weight problem, But doin't mess with a good thing. Just look at the numbers that the auctions bring in. Its not the gen 2,3,or4. It's the Gen.1 comaro. Twek the lines GM. like you did with the 67 and the 68. But doin't mess with a goooood thing.
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:12 PM   #54
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I agree, think they should concentrate on weight and tweak the current design, just enough to look "better" but keep the basic shape, I know its a TALL order!
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:15 PM   #55
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Well if the would tweek the design , maybe larger side windows in the rear seat area, and better vision to the rear, hide away headlights? and of course a Z-28 model
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:23 PM   #56
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I believe it will/should be an evolution of the current/original design. It was a hit then, it is a hit now, and it can continue to be a hit into the future.
Ding Ding Ding! We have a winner. Evolution not revolution.

With so much at stake coming off a hugely successful design GM has to create an evolution of the 5Gen or pay the price. The 5Gen was supposed to be based off the 1969 design, however I think it looks more 1967-68. The perfect move would be to add more of the 1969 styling cues; wheel well arches, frontend light placement, an even more sinister fascia, etc. Then hide the door handles, revise the rear with different tail lights and a better placement for the reverse lights. Maybe even some polished aluminum or exposed carbon bits to add more interest.
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:29 PM   #57
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I agree with the evolutionary approach.

Kind of like what Audi did from the first gen to second gen TT. The first one was such a hit, so they didn't mess *too* much with the overall form- just some modern styling cues and body lines here and there.

That said, GM's got their work cut out for them. Like a previous poster mentioned, Ford's going to come out swinging. Has anybody seen the 2013 Mustang on their site? Sweet baby jesus...
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:35 PM   #58
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Its going to a tough job to top the 5th gen. Would be too much pressure on me!
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:41 PM   #59
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6th gen should be the flying car we've all been waiting for.
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:43 PM   #60
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As long as my headers and supercharger will bolt right in... I'll be happy. PLEASE NO ECOTECS IN THE CAMARO!!! I dont care if it's turbo charged.

GM Should just offer different engines to get around CAFE regulations and charge a gas guzzler tax on 5.7L/400HP or Above

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Old 03-15-2012, 06:13 PM   #61
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I could care less what a Mustang does...I like the Camaro and that is what I bought and would buy again. I do like Russell's thought of a total retro....1st Gens are just Bad Assed

when I see the resto-modded 1969's at barret Jackson or Mecum I get all dreamy....resto-modded 69 mixed with a little 5th gen and you might have something
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Old 03-15-2012, 06:20 PM   #62
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The new Mustang concept I've seen floating around looks very strongly towards current Camaro styling...what does that say about where Mustang is going. Chasing in styling.

I also don't want to see a turbo 4 cyl engine in a Camaro...V6 should be the smallest. I am not sure what they can do, but it definitely should be unique and not blend in with cars on the road. I like that my Camaro stands out when I roll down a street...it doesn't look like every other car out there.

I wonder when we'll start seeing concept drawings on the web.
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Old 03-15-2012, 06:23 PM   #63
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loan on my 1LT is up in 2014...im deff getting the new 6th gen and watching the movie '2012'
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Old 03-15-2012, 06:29 PM   #64
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They can't use the split bumper design from the early 1970 Camaro because of crash safety standards. This was why the 1970-era Camaros ditched this idea, to comply with government crash safety standards; I don't see GM trying to make anything good come of that.

Also - the 1969 Camaro cars are lighter than today's cars because crash safety standards have gone up and there is more material in the doors and the car all around. This makes the entire car heavier as a whole and then the skin added to the car just adds to the weight. You have to go to great lengths to keep car weight down and push the Camaro slowly into the area the Corvette is in, and this will drive the price upwards as well.

Using carbon fiber is a good idea for weight savings - and it's fairly strong compared to the fiberglass and urethane that is used on the cars currently. It should go a long way towards fixing the weight issue. But you have to come to expect it - all cars are getting heavier due to compliance with new safety regulations.

The elephant in the room seems to be that while cars are getting safer, they are burning more gas because they are heavier, and it will take more powerful engines to push these heavy cars down the road. So while they tout EPA numbers - the problem is that it's harder to meet CAFE requirements if they are just making cars heavier and heavier. Maybe instead of just adding material they should figure out how to reinforce the structure better so that they can add less and it will hold its shape better in a crash.

Just my thoughts on the matter - I could be wrong.

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Old 03-15-2012, 06:37 PM   #65
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They can't use the split bumper design from the early 1970 Camaro because of crash safety standards. This was why the 1970-era Camaros ditched this idea, to comply with government crash safety standards; I don't see GM trying to make anything good come of that.

Also - the 1969 Camaro cars are lighter than today's cars because crash safety standards have gone up and there is more material in the doors and the car all around. This makes the entire car heavier as a whole and then the skin added to the car just adds to the weight. You have to go to great lengths to keep car weight down and push the Camaro slowly into the area the Corvette is in, and this will drive the price upwards as well.

Using carbon fiber is a good idea for weight savings - and it's fairly strong compared to the fiberglass and urethane that is used on the cars currently. It should go a long way towards fixing the weight issue. But you have to come to expect it - all cars are getting heavier due to compliance with new safety regulations.

The elephant in the room seems to be that while cars are getting safer, they are burning more gas because they are heavier, and it will take more powerful engines to push these heavy cars down the road. So while they tout EPA numbers - the problem is that it's harder to meet CAFE requirements if they are just making cars heavier and heavier. Maybe instead of just adding material they should figure out how to reinforce the structure better so that they can add less and it will hold its shape better in a crash.

Just my thoughts on the matter - I could be wrong.

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As far as I know the 2nd gen body was changed to adapt to the $500 bumper law. It was a bigger challenge back then and shouldn't be a problem now. They can pretty much build whatever they dream up as long as the aerodynamics aren't too crazy.
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Old 03-15-2012, 07:03 PM   #66
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My vote is for a design similar to a early 2nd generation
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Old 03-15-2012, 07:07 PM   #67
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GM should put Chip Foose on the design team and see what he could come up with. He can make an AMC Pacer look good. HA!
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Old 03-15-2012, 07:17 PM   #68
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I think that the 6th Gen designers should keep the 2nd and 4th Gen styles far away and look at keeping the the modernized 67-68 look while incorporating more designs from the 69 on the outside. Like maybe the fenders, taillights, and centered parking lights. Something a little new should be done with the grill/headlights.

If not, I think they should start looking at the 3rd Gens such as IROC-Zs. They kinda did a wheel similar to the IROCs for the 5th base cars and you can see a slight resemblence in some of the body lines, but those and the 1sts were the best, most aggressive looking Camaros that also had a clean and sleek design. 3rds were extremely popular, are becoming new classics, and have been out of production for a long time now. Also, I've read that the 6th Gen is going to go back to that lower, more raked, and lean design. 3rds are the only Camaros that pulled it off perfectly.
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Old 03-15-2012, 07:19 PM   #69
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It needs to be more different than what Ford did from the 05-09 Mustang to the '10 Mustang. I will say that much.
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Old 03-15-2012, 07:40 PM   #70
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3rd Gen. Do it Course I was a fan of the golden chicken on the pontiac hood during that time frame
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Old 03-15-2012, 07:43 PM   #71
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The elephant in the room seems to be that while cars are getting safer, they are burning more gas because they are heavier, and it will take more powerful engines to push these heavy cars down the road. So while they tout EPA numbers - the problem is that it's harder to meet CAFE requirements if they are just making cars heavier and heavier. Maybe instead of just adding material they should figure out how to reinforce the structure better so that they can add less and it will hold its shape better in a crash.

Just my thoughts on the matter - I could be wrong.

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Look at the new Cadillac ATS on the new Alpha platform. They are saying the turbo 4 weighs in at just over 3,300 lbs with the V6 weighing in the 3,400lb range.

Make the next Camaro similar to this size (no smaller) and I don't see why they can't keep a V6 Camaro in the 3,400lb or so range as well...and from that I don't see why they couldn't keep an SS under 3,600 lbs.
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Old 03-15-2012, 07:56 PM   #72
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Do like Charger and upgrade the current successful model..... I would make it lighter but not to small because us BIG BOYS like the car because it is one of the only ones we can fit in LOL
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Old 03-15-2012, 08:15 PM   #73
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To start off I get the V8 or V6 debate . Sure everyone here wants a V8 and I understand the reasoning. On the flip side it would not take much for GM to upgrade the V6 to have 350 rwhp and 320 rwtq. Those numbers arent hyperbowl, they could be done with a single turbo and a mild tune. Yes it is not a V8, Yes it sounds different, but on the otherside it is fast and (I dont know who would care) you can get good gas mileage. I think if GM could hit 13.5 and 0-60 in say 5.8 seconds then why not a V6 for the next gen. I understand the its not an import, yes its not and GM uses the 6 in alot of other cars.
I say if they build a Z28 with a V6 that has those kind of numbers sound or not count me in. I cant wait to see the whine when cars go electric, the debate would go like, " I would rather have a 8 cell insted of a 6 cell." haha...
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It is impossible to discuss automobiles/Camaros without the inclusion, and hopefully removal, of the 800 pound gorilla in the equation.

GM never fully recovered from the initial illegitimate mandates for fuel economy that brought us Vegas and Pintos, to the current situation of a bankrupted GM. The EPA, NHTSA, DOT, ad infinitum, have no legitimate authority to determine the vehicle I drive - especially while being forced to pay bureaucrats' bloated salaries. There is a L99 because of mandates, and the fear of the Gas Guzzler tax – not GM's wishes.

Most manufactures are being forced into 4-cylinder engines – kiss most V8's goodbye. Then to ad to the absurd mandates, the ludicrousness of being subjected to a "gas guzzler" tax.

I don't let my cleaning lady run my life - but big government is determining the flush capacity of my toilet and the vehicles I can purchase, with the present dire consequences, and Camaros costing 40K.

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I could care less what a Mustang does...I like the Camaro and that is what I bought and would buy again. I do like Russell's thought of a total retro....1st Gens are just Bad Assed
Exactly what I said. I don't like Mustangs. I like Camaros, and I did buy another as of Yesterday. Inferno Orange!
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