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Old 03-15-2012, 01:17 PM   #26
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:19 PM   #27

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This would do it....

Go complete retro, '69 Camaro in pro touring style.

Keep the traditional V-8, no AFM, at least 5.7L. Direct injection and a variable cam timing to improve mpgs. 3400ish lbs. SS version with the big V8. A V-6 version for the economy segment... More 1st gen size.

I'd bet if they went really retro, all the way toward a '69 like this, 100,000 + in sales volume easily.

As much as I love the '69, (That '69 will always be the BEST looking Camaro ever made, period !) a lighter 5th gen and a 10-15% scaled down in overall size (ATS's size) with the current power offering will be another success for GM. The improvement for the interior doesn't required much IMO, just a little better material and slightly rearranged. The new ATS's interior is beautiful but I wouldn't want it in the Camaro. My only complaint with the 5th gen is the WEIGHT. Bring that weight down and it's golden for me.

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Old 03-15-2012, 01:19 PM   #28

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Well, I read somewhere, that the challenger will be retired and that they'll bring back the barricuda. It would be amazing if chevy ended the camaro and brought back the SS chevelle from the 67-69 era or even a retro 1970 chevelle. I know they have a malibu and theyre not going to bring that back.

My take on it, is get ready for a 2nd gen 1970 camaro retro to be the 6th edition. IF they make a 7th gen, I think it'll be totally revamped because even though the early 80s camaros were decent, GM will not be using that body style. I mean, the muscle car era was form 67-73. So Id think it'd be a total make over for a new camaro.

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Old 03-15-2012, 01:34 PM   #29
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Im being selfish and hope that the change isnt too drastic since I am getting my car in 2012, I want it to still look good when the 2015 comes out lol, you 2010 guys had an extra 2 years with your cars than I will.
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:36 PM   #30

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I think GM should poll this site for ideas and maybe even do a design contest. I'm working on a contest for Porsche right now - grand prize is 20k or a one year lease of a 911.

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Old 03-15-2012, 01:37 PM   #31
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all they have to do is make it lighter, bit more powerful, spruce up the interorir materials and most importantly just have to refresh the current 5th gen design. Make it a little more bold, a little more cut. Doesnt need much. All they have to do is what Ford did with the Mustang, not a drastic change

ANYWAYS, all we know is that this current design is just like the 69, everyone is still going to be in love with it even 40 years down the line.
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:38 PM   #32

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going to be hard to make a better looking car than the 5th Gen...
That. Better in other ways, yes.
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:43 PM   #33
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The most retro car of the three is the least selling one.

BUT, this comment from the comments section made me laugh me ass off.

Forget basing it on an old car. I can't stand all that retro crap. If I wanted a 1967 Camaro I'd buy one. I don't want my new one to look old. This is the 2000's, get with it GM.
What a moron. Apperently he didn't read much of the article. 'Get with it' , uh, hey dummy, I'm thinking over a third of the market is pretty damn 'with it'.
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Old 03-15-2012, 01:46 PM   #34
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What GM really needs to keep in mind is that ford is going to come out swinging

just like they are doing with this upcoming Shelby GT500.

GM is at a handicap because they can't make the Camaro faster and more powerful without also upgrading the vette. While Ford has just there one car to worry about.

Just the same, if GM doesnt come out the gate with 500 hp for the SS, I dare say they will be behind Ford.
I don't think horsepower needs to go any higher. The lighter weight will help with acceleration. With the new platform horsepower could actually decrease and still maintain acceptable performance. They need to concentrate on fuel mileage and handling and if they can do it with a V-8 it will be a home run.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:09 PM   #35
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They are well aware of the weight issue, hopefully they are able to keep that in check. If so I'm waiting for the 2017 model year- a 50th Anniversary Edition would look sweet next to my 35th and by then I should be able to afford it.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:10 PM   #36
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I think the design team should submit a couple design ideas, be it a retro 1st gen ,and a retro 2nd gen, and put it to a vote online,and forum members, to garner appropriate responses as to which direction they should take.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:15 PM   #37
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My loan would have been finished in fall of 2015 if I didn't refinance it late last year, so I'll have to wait another year. The markups for the 6th gen should be over by then.

This is all provided it looks good. Lol

My preference would just be to evolve its current styling.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:18 PM   #38
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Im being selfish and hope that the change isnt too drastic since I am getting my car in 2012, I want it to still look good when the 2015 comes out lol, you 2010 guys had an extra 2 years with your cars than I will.
Actually I think what you want IS a complete redesign. That way this one doesn't look "old". That may sound incorrect but look at the mustangs. The 2005-2009 now look old and blah to me because the 2010+ is a slightly redesigned and more slick version. Had the new mustang been 100% different. Those 2005's may still look cool in their own seperate way.

Does that make sense? lol

Im selfish too. However if its a 2015 model, mine will be paid off in time to upgrade to the 2016 model after their first year bugs are worked out.
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Old 03-15-2012, 02:53 PM   #39

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I'm with "wizard1183"...i think G.M. would benefit greatly if they were to bring back a retro of the "chevelle SS",also think if they would do the same with the "Belair" it would be a popular car for the lets say little older demographic,that said though i dont think the sales of the belair would last past a couple years,but i have always said that the redo of "chevelle SS" would be a hot seller,..sorry,kinda off topic on 6th gen but don't know how it could improve other than what others have posted,weight and better quality interior,
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Old 03-15-2012, 03:03 PM   #40
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Originally Posted by Obzen View Post
Actually I think what you want IS a complete redesign. That way this one doesn't look "old". That may sound incorrect but look at the mustangs. The 2005-2009 now look old and blah to me because the 2010+ is a slightly redesigned and more slick version. Had the new mustang been 100% different. Those 2005's may still look cool in their own seperate way.

Does that make sense? lol
Yes, that makes sense. I bought a 2006 Mustang GT back in 2005 and loved it. When the newer, (slightly redisigned), ones came out, all it did was make mine look used up and old. The redesign was enough to make the older ones look dull, but not exciting enough to make me think it was that different. My thought was that in a few years, that design would also make me go "Meh".
That's when my long dormant love for the Camaro came out and I started looking into them. I have not look back since getting my 2012 Camaro. It is the most in love with a car I have ever been.


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Old 03-15-2012, 03:04 PM   #41

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It's great to see such a dynamic focus on the car. I'm sure Al O and "the team" have critical values they will ensure are maintained. This is kind of what has me bothered... and probably other insiders. GM is "threading the performance needle"... amongst stronger gov't regulation and culture wars. The new Camaro will certainly be influenced by the overall corporate cultures/controls. How many "old timers" will remain that care enough and have enough political power to overcome the downforce on this segment? We shall see..... who is next to retire?(but I'm grateful to be getting a 2012 ZL1 regardless)...


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Vice Chairman and Chief Technology Officer Tom Stephens, a 43-year GM veteran with perhaps the company's deepest engine-development chops, is retiring in April.
Stephens' departure comes as rumors persist that GM management decided to cut back on upgrades for its next-gen V8.
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DETROIT — General Motors announced over the weekend that Vice Chairman and Chief Technology Officer Tom Stephens will retire in April. But don't let his current banal title fool you: Stephens spent most of his time at GM engineering and hot-rodding engines and is one of the last of the remaining old-guard GM upper management qualified to lend "car-guy" support to Vice President and President of GM North America Mark Reuss.

Stephens is most closely associated with GM's powertrain operations, where he served as a vice president and later, group vice president for global powertrain from 2001-'08. Stephens' gradual move away from powertrain development came as GM itself systematically incorporated powertrain engineering into its larger global product-development practices.

In 1990, when GM Powertrain was formed by merging the Hydra-matic and Engine divisions, the unit was nearly as powerful as any of GM's carmaking divisions. But Powertrain's eventual absorption into the company's broad product-development processes, finalized with its joining of Global Product Operations in 2010, greatly reduced the influence of GM's engine-and transmission-engineering division and the individuals who shaped it.

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Old 03-15-2012, 03:13 PM   #42

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I feel sorry for the design team, this is one tough crowd!!
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Old 03-15-2012, 03:15 PM   #43

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I really like the early 2nd gen design. The split grill is pretty sick IMO. My favorite tho is 67-68. Love the fender lines. 69 isn't as clean for me...I think the redesign of the fender lines was a redesign mainly for the sake of redesign. Though i certainly wouldnt turn down a 69 Z/28 if one came my way and I'll alway have a soft spot in my heart for the gen 3 IROC's. Just please don't rehash the gen 4.
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Old 03-15-2012, 03:17 PM   #44
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I personally love the 3rd Gen look. Maybe because it was what my first car was...anyway I love the 1st Gens but since they already did that with this generation either spice up this one (dunno how cause it's just so sexy) or try it with the 3rd. I never have liked the looks of the 2nd. It's my least favorite out of the 5.

GM sure does have a challenge, I trust'em and probably will buy a 6th gen at some point
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Old 03-15-2012, 03:25 PM   #45

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Old 03-15-2012, 03:30 PM   #46
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Personally I think they should stop production next year and come back with the 6th gen 5-7 years later. Next year come out with limited edition z28 maybe 500-1000 models or less. I liked the gap between '02 and '10
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I wonder if the convertible top will be fixed by 2015.. maybe.. maybe not..
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:02 PM   #48

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GM has gifted us with a new design for each generation. Sure the Gen5 has many clues from the Gen1. I would not expect the Gen6 to be an updated version of the Gen5. Maybe it'll have some clues from the other generations, but the Gen6 will sell on it's own merits because our Camaro designers share a PASSION with us !!!!
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Old 03-15-2012, 04:03 PM   #49
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Remember when you saw the concept Camaro backin in 2006? I remember where I was, and that I had to have one. I would love to have that same moment once again.
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I would trust GM . They have proven with the zl1 that they know how to improve on the camaros looks. Why not just change the front grill and taillights , wheels and make it lighter?
They could also change the mirros and trimm and beep the basic shape maybe slight differance with the fenders, but make it over with slight changes. Hood , the gills in front of the rear tires, diff side trim . The basic design should be kept the same because if its not broken dont fix it.
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