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Old 12-31-2011, 07:35 AM   #201
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Ehhh... Guy that lives in my area. His Camaro was in GM high tech. One of the fastest stock bottom end Camaros around. Has stock ported heads, ms3 cam, Moser 9", Fast 90/90, 1 3/4 Pacesetter & spray.

Now he just changed his set up with a bigger intake, ported 799 heads, & more spray. Should be running low 9's now! If anyone can update me on the fastest 5th gen 1/4 mile that's still using a LS3. NOT a LS9!

I was born and raised in Santa Barbara, I sure miss it. If I were still there I would love to take my Camaro up Old San Marcos pass, that road was awesome for twisty turns.
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Old 12-31-2011, 07:51 AM   #202
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I dont know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but what this tells me is that the fifth gen has a few years left before the re-vamp. so with a three years remaining on what is generally a four year run, GM is likely to have something up their sleeve in the form of further development on the current platform. Maybe something in the form of the elusive Z/28!?

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If GM has the new Gen 5 V8 ready sooner than the planned release of the new Camaro, will they go ahead and start using it in the current lineup to get the benefits of the more efficient engine? I would hope so but don't know what their normal policy is.
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Old 12-31-2011, 04:34 PM   #204
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If GM has the new Gen 5 V8 ready sooner than the planned release of the new Camaro, will they go ahead and start using it in the current lineup to get the benefits of the more efficient engine? I would hope so but don't know what their normal policy is.
Typically when they replace an old engine, they'll put the new one into everything within about a year. They don't wait years for the next redesign of the car(s) they use them in. The sooner they use them, the quicker the payback time is, and the simpler their logistics become.
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Old 12-31-2011, 07:46 PM   #205
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Typically when they replace an old engine, they'll put the new one into everything within about a year. They don't wait years for the next redesign of the car(s) they use them in. The sooner they use them, the quicker the payback time is, and the simpler their logistics become.
Thanks. That's what I thought. Hopefully we'll see the new motor soon.
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Old 01-01-2012, 07:24 AM   #206
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So I have 3 more years to beat on my SS. Cool.
Actually 5 Rogan, the first 2 years are going to be the issue years as with all manufacturers.
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Old 01-01-2012, 07:50 AM   #207
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Actually 5 Rogan, the first 2 years are going to be the issue years as with all manufacturers.
that is another reason I held out for a 2012, lots of issues have been addressed on this year
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Old 01-02-2012, 01:49 PM   #208
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Just being a bit of a devils advocate here ...

What if the Cadillac version of the platform is based on an aluminum structure while the Camaro utilizes cheaper steel?

Also, while we know that the ATS is going to be Alpha based, I'm pretty sure the next gen CTS is too. I'm thinking that the Camaro may be based off of the larger variant of the car, rather than the smaller one. I say this because I don't expect a V8 in the ATS while the next gen CTS (and Camaro) will need V8s. And if they're doing 2 variants of the platform, with 2 different power train combinations, I would expect the Camaro to get the most ... robust version with the more powerful engines. They can still hack it down to smaller dimensions, but I foresee the next gen Camaro being a much 'denser' car compared to the ATS. Of course, this idea goes out the window if the ATS-V is a supercharged (or turbocharged) V8 cranking out over 600 hp.
It's entirely possible. I remember reading an article discussing the goal and intentions of the Alpha architecture. One of them was the ability to swap out components with others made of advanced lightweight materials such as carbon fiber, aluminum, or ultra-high-strength steel. This would allow the architecture to be truly flexible and underpin many different vehicles.

However, I don't think Cadillac would spend the money on an aluminum unibody, especially not for the base models, because one of Cadillac's critical features is offering the same features for less $$$ than competitors. That's why the CTS-V was made for 60k, verus the M5's $80k pricetag.

As far as the size...I disagree. Considering the Mustang is purported to be shrinking, the Camaro's existing weight disadvantage vs that car, and the industry trend towards lighter, more fuel-efficient vehicles...I don't think the volume-selling Camaro can afford to be set on a similar, or even larger (CTS is growing) version of Alpha. It would be counter-intuitive to....everything.

GM will need to develop a high-output V8 for the likes of the Corvette Z06 and ZR1...if the Camaro is based off of the smaller ATS Alpha architecture, it is conceivable that they could put a compact, high-output Gen V small block into the high-end versions. The cars don't need to be carbon-copies of each other...and in that light, we could see a much more robust drivetrain.
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Old 01-04-2012, 02:54 PM   #209
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Ode to the 4th gen (If I remember right):

-First to bring back 300 HP to the camaro and the muscle car in general
-Brought the SS back to camaro
-Brought the hurst shifter back to camaro
- Introduced the torsen differential to the world
- Brought the 6 speed to the muscle car
-Dominated the mustang in PERFORMANCE every year it was built
- I believe its performance beat the porsche boxter when introduced
- Brought the camaro back to road racing (the SLP SS concept was designed specifically for road racing in the SCCA and it won the championship that year).

Now I have a ZL1 ordered, but I also race a 4th gen in NASA road racing and very successfully, she is a beast at 3800 lbs but she wins the old fashioned way, fat engine + fat tires. The 4th gen may not be the prettiest but she is a muscle car and she is a camaro. There are a couple of items up there the 5th gen has yet to do... Respect your elders.
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Old 01-04-2012, 05:40 PM   #210
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The 4th gen may not be the prettiest but she is a muscle car and she is a camaro. There are a couple of items up there the 5th gen has yet to do... Respect your elders.
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Old 01-05-2012, 05:26 PM   #211
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Ode to the 4th gen (If I remember right):

- I believe its performance beat the porsche boxter when introduced
I've beaten a Porsche Boxster up a freeway onramp with my wife's 3.8L Auto Camaro Convertible... :p
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Old 01-06-2012, 10:46 PM   #212
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I've beaten a Porsche Boxster up a freeway onramp with my wife's 3.8L Auto Camaro Convertible... :p
Funny how I just posted "repect your elders" and this guy comes right back with a completely misinformed insult. Im not one to go back and forth, but I cant help this one...

Car / 0-60 / top speed

1996 Boxter / 6.9 / 149
1996 Camaro V6 / 8.0 / 118
1996 Camaro V8 / 5.7 / 163

Sorry, your "race" up the on ramp was him "merging".
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Not by how high he was sending his tach (i could tell by sound). Either/or - probably bad driver. I think it comical that I got the better of a porsche boxster who was trying to get in front of me on an onramp - in my wife's "little v6" Camaro.

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Funny how I just posted "repect your elders" and this guy comes right back with a completely misinformed insult. Im not one to go back and forth, but I cant help this one...
Funny how you think that I'm being insulting because I'm posting a TRUE STORY about my wife's V6 powered CAMARO - it's probably insulting to you because it talks about a 6-cylinder car. Honestly I don't respect anyone who doesn't realize that not all of us can own V8's from the get-go and plenty of us love our "little v6s" just as much as you "big boys" love your V8's. It's you who should show some respect for a fellow Camaro enthusiast and recognize the above post for what it is - a funny story about how my wife's "little v6" beat a "big bad Porsche".

P.S. It's called a Porsche Boxster and if you want me to be informed, how about this (and I don't know what year was next to me on the onramp btw.):

1996 Porsche Boxster 986 (edmunds.com specs)
HP: 201 bhp @ 6000 rpm
TQ: 181 ft-lbs. @ 4500 rpm

0-60: 7.2 seconds (http://www.autospecs.info)

1996 Chevrolet Camaro 3.8 (edmunds.com specs)
HP: 200 hp @ 5200 rpm
TQ: 225 ft-lbs. @ 4000 rpm

0-60: 7.3(http://www.zeroto60times.com/Chevrol...mph-Times.html)
Quarter mile 15.5 (http://www.zeroto60times.com/Chevrol...mph-Times.html)

Please "inform" yourself before stating that someone else is "misinformed".

Edit: came here to share a funny story, expecting to be harassed by someone with a v8 and a head up his ass. left satisfied....Done with this little ditty.
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Old 01-07-2012, 11:58 AM   #214
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I was born and raised in Santa Barbara, I sure miss it. If I were still there I would love to take my Camaro up Old San Marcos pass, that road was awesome for twisty turns.

I always felt like spray was cheating.
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If they can make it weigh 3400 like the new ATS it will be a beast!

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If they can make it weigh 3400 like the new ATS it will be a beast!

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...55#post4277655
Wow...

I started a thread a little while back on why the next Camaro should ride on this platform, and now I feel even stronger about it.

3,400 lbs, and it WILL support a DI V8. Of course the V8 and beefier components will add to the weight, but wouldn't figure over 3,600 for sure.
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I know it's a lot of what ifs, but is it too far fetched that the v-6 camaro could weigh less than the v-6 ATS?
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I know it's a lot of what ifs, but is it too far fetched that the v-6 camaro could weigh less than the v-6 ATS?
Its possible
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Old 01-08-2012, 10:34 PM   #219
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I know it's a lot of what ifs, but is it too far fetched that the v-6 camaro could weigh less than the v-6 ATS?
Everyone said the ZL1 would weigh less than the CTS-V and we all know how that turned out.
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Everyone said the ZL1 would weigh less than the CTS-V and we all know how that turned out.
Yep ... it turned out to be true. Unless 4120 lbs is somehow more than 4222 lbs
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I don't even think weight will be a issue for none of these cars from a casual view. People just want a a kick ass looking car with some power and fuel economy (v6) or just raw in your face power with decent gas mileage (v8). The camaro will continue to still outsell the competition as long as it reminds true to its affordability
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100 lbs?
100lbs may not be a lot when your comparing cars weighing over 4 tons...even though every little bit helps for sure. But it is still nice considering all of the performance oriented extras the ZL1 comes with.

But just imagine if the next Camaro V6 does indeed end up weighing even less than the V6 ATS....you'd be looking at a 3,3xx lb Camaro V6. That would be friggin amazing. You'd be looking at a car that can run mid 13 quarters...or at least easy upper 13s and low to mid 5 second 0 - 60 sprints. Bolt ons would put it damn close to today's SS.....all for mid to upper 20K.

Now just imagine the SS weighing in at 3,500 to 3,600 lbs.
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Yep ... it turned out to be true. Unless 4120 lbs is somehow more than 4222 lbs
Seriously? What's the auto ZL1 one tip in at? MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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Now just imagine the SS weighing in at 3,500 to 3,600 lbs.
If only GM had used that logic on the 5th gen instead of bastardizing a Vette engine to a sedan chassis.....
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