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Old 12-25-2011, 01:30 PM   #126
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I love that my 2SS / RS has 426 hp stock (which will be increased by spring) but I am hopeful that there will be many more horses involved in the 2016 model. I know I am being greedy but damn if I dont love the power.
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Old 12-25-2011, 02:14 PM   #127
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Old 12-25-2011, 08:40 PM   #128
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So the C6 camaro will be a MY 2016 released in 2015? Or is it actually coming out in 2016?
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Old 12-25-2011, 08:55 PM   #129
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So the C6 camaro will be a MY 2016 released in 2015? Or is it actually coming out in 2016?
This is all speculation as of right now but the speculation is 2015 release as a 2016 model. This info hasn't come official from GM, but release dates even straight from them are subject to change.
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PLEASE GM get it in the 35xx-36xx lb range!!! Weight is just killing the Camaros
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PLEASE GM get it in the 35xx-36xx lb range!!! Weight is just killing the Camaros
You are very wrong about weight killing the 5th gens. They are by far the best Camaros ever. Strong at the drags and at the track. I doubt the 6th gens will be 3,600 pounds. If so, nice, but even 3,600 pounds is still a heavy car.

The best thing Chevy can do is make the visibility better and give us a factory GPS. Power is no big deal. You can have as much as you want with the current car.

Chevy will be hard pressed to build a car that is a bigger hit in the looks department. They will have to be careful not to mess it up. It is fun to speculate about the next Camaro, but the current car is so good they can take their time and get it right. Enjoy the 5th gen in the mean time. It is no hardship.
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Old 12-26-2011, 12:34 AM   #132
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PLEASE GM get it in the 35xx-36xx lb range!!! Weight is just killing the Camaros
If that target weight were so vitally important to the car & market segment, the Mustang would be outselling the Camaro. But last I checked, the Camaro's lead was increasing.
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Old 12-26-2011, 01:20 AM   #133
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If that target weight were so vitally important to the car & market segment, the Mustang would be outselling the Camaro. But last I checked, the Camaro's lead was increasing.
I think he is speaking from an enthusiast's standpoint. Lower weight is never a bad thing. Additionally, if you never strive to improve - you don't.
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:45 AM   #134
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Agreed. On my 4th Gen I remember one popping off while on the expressway - thank God it was late at night.
The SS70 (gen2 style) would lend itself to T-tops. Not having a back side windows helps the concept. GM has stated the Gen5 was designed to have a vert in mind. When the Gen6 does start showing up, it'll be interesting to see if they have T-Top or Targa roof in mind. But then why compete against the Corvette. And then the new Mustang style roof line will be interesting to see. So far I'm hearing Gen5 Camaro styling; lower roof line and broader back shoulders.
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Old 12-26-2011, 10:55 AM   #135
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As stated before, the new platform for the Camaro will be smaller than the current chasis. Dropping some weight is almost certain. We can also expect a direct injected V8, and there might be better info on this engine on the vette forums.
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You are very wrong about weight killing the 5th gens. They are by far the best Camaros ever. Strong at the drags and at the track. I doubt the 6th gens will be 3,600 pounds. If so, nice, but even 3,600 pounds is still a heavy car.
If they base the car on the ATS 'Alpha' platform, < 3,600lbs should be doable, (and expected for the V6) since GM has already said they ATS weighs several hundred lbs less than its BMW competitor, which already weighs less than the current Camaro. Looks like anywhere from 3,400 to 3,600 range from the info I've seen thus far.

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If that target weight were so vitally important to the car & market segment, the Mustang would be outselling the Camaro. But last I checked, the Camaro's lead was increasing.
You are correct...but why keep the Camaro a boat anchor if you don't have to??? Just because Camaro is outselling Mustang or might look better (to most people), doesn't mean its OK to let the mustang pull further and further ahead in the performance segmentt. I've even read the next mustang could be even lighter than the current one....Camaro needs to lose weight and shrink (but not much!) in size. Alpha platform is perfect for that.

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As stated before, the new platform for the Camaro will be smaller than the current chasis. Dropping some weight is almost certain. We can also expect a direct injected V8, and there might be better info on this engine on the vette forums.
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Old 12-26-2011, 02:38 PM   #137
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well... Im fine in my 2010 camaro, but if they create a new Lxx engine that makes more than 500 hp over 25mpg im gonna upgrade my 5 gen XD

5gen car + 6gen time tech = ohh yeahh
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Old 12-26-2011, 09:01 PM   #138
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Something "like" this at >3600 lbs. and 85% the size of the 5th gen and I would strongly consider another Camaro. GenV V8 and manual please.
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Old 12-27-2011, 04:19 AM   #139
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Can we start a "6th gen concept photo thread "?
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I mean its ok... But GM SHOULD NOT continue to make modern versions of the older Camaros... I mean after the 6th gen you guys are going to start saying they should make 1974-81 style Camaros! They need to make THEIR OWN look now. They did the whole modern 1969 Camaro look which worked out because it was the rebirth of the Camaro. But that's where it ends. & don't get me wrong I LOVE the look of 5th gens. But the 6th gen shouldn't be its own design.

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You are very wrong about weight killing the 5th gens. They are by far the best Camaros ever. Strong at the drags and at the track. I doubt the 6th gens will be 3,600 pounds. If so, nice, but even 3,600 pounds is still a heavy car.

The best thing Chevy can do is make the visibility better and give us a factory GPS. Power is no big deal. You can have as much as you want with the current car.

Chevy will be hard pressed to build a car that is a bigger hit in the looks department. They will have to be careful not to mess it up. It is fun to speculate about the next Camaro, but the current car is so good they can take their time and get it right. Enjoy the 5th gen in the mean time. It is no hardship.
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If that target weight were so vitally important to the car & market segment, the Mustang would be outselling the Camaro. But last I checked, the Camaro's lead was increasing.
I'm sorry but honestly you guys are in denial right now....... yes I love the look of the 5th gen. & yea its sales are beating the Mustang. BUT its sales are only doing that based off looks & it being a Camaro brought back to life. NOT on performance. Plus the Mustangs looks didn't change that much from the 2005-2009 style. Compare the fastest 5.0 GT vs SS. Mustang got it by a long shot. Every one I know or on forums if given a chance to either buy a 5.0 or SS for "performance wise only" would buy the 5.0. I mean the 2010-11 GT weighs like 35xx lbs +- They both make around the same power but the 5.0 is quicker in the 1/4 mile? Part of that is due to weight. I mean my 2001 Z28 weighs 3340 lbs without me in it & with a 1/2 tank. & that's full interior minus the rear seats. If GM can't get the Camaro in the low 35xx - mid 36xx lb range then that's pretty sad!
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I mean its ok... But GM SHOULD NOT continue to make modern versions of the older Camaros... I mean after the 6th gen you guys are going to start saying they should make 1974-81 style Camaros! They need to make THEIR OWN look now. They did the whole modern 1969 Camaro look which worked out because it was the rebirth of the Camaro. But that's where it ends. & don't get me wrong I LOVE the look of 5th gens. But the 6th gen shouldn't be its own design.





I'm sorry but honestly you guys are in denial right now....... yes I love the look of the 5th gen. & yea its sales are beating the Mustang. BUT its sales are only doing that based off looks & it being a Camaro brought back to life. NOT on performance. Plus the Mustangs looks didn't change that much from the 2005-2009 style. Compare the fastest 5.0 GT vs SS. Mustang got it by a long shot. Every one I know or on forums if given a chance to either buy a 5.0 or SS for "performance wise only" would buy the 5.0. I mean the 2010-11 GT weighs like 35xx lbs +- They both make around the same power but the 5.0 is quicker in the 1/4 mile? Part of that is due to weight. I mean my 2001 Z28 weighs 3340 lbs without me in it & with a 1/2 tank. & that's full interior minus the rear seats. If GM can't get the Camaro in the low 35xx - mid 36xx lb range then that's pretty sad!
First, if you had a Gen5 would get it.
Second, I've had a couple of Gen1s and other than the gauges, gills and angle of the front grill; the Gen5 is on it's own.
Third, don't ever worry about the Gen6 taking clues from the Gen4.
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You are very wrong about weight killing the 5th gens. They are by far the best Camaros ever. Strong at the drags and at the track.


I don't even have a comment for those statements..
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I mean its ok... But GM SHOULD NOT continue to make modern versions of the older Camaros... I mean after the 6th gen you guys are going to start saying they should make 1974-81 style Camaros! They need to make THEIR OWN look now. They did the whole modern 1969 Camaro look which worked out because it was the rebirth of the Camaro. But that's where it ends. & don't get me wrong I LOVE the look of 5th gens. But the 6th gen shouldn't be its own design.





I'm sorry but honestly you guys are in denial right now....... yes I love the look of the 5th gen. & yea its sales are beating the Mustang. BUT its sales are only doing that based off looks & it being a Camaro brought back to life. NOT on performance. Plus the Mustangs looks didn't change that much from the 2005-2009 style. Compare the fastest 5.0 GT vs SS. Mustang got it by a long shot. Every one I know or on forums if given a chance to either buy a 5.0 or SS for "performance wise only" would buy the 5.0. I mean the 2010-11 GT weighs like 35xx lbs +- They both make around the same power but the 5.0 is quicker in the 1/4 mile? Part of that is due to weight. I mean my 2001 Z28 weighs 3340 lbs without me in it & with a 1/2 tank. & that's full interior minus the rear seats. If GM can't get the Camaro in the low 35xx - mid 36xx lb range then that's pretty sad!
There is more involved in making a better car than making it faster

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there are also more ways to make a car faster than reducing weight
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Old 12-27-2011, 03:12 PM   #145
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Some food for thought: The Herb Grasse 1967 Camaro prototype show car





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So where do you think GM could go from the 5th gen's first gen inspiration, to something to keep these old lines?
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I completely agree, some work on the interior will be amazing in the next generation, even if its half as nice as what I see in the upcoming Impala.

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there are also more ways to make a car faster than reducing weight

You're right,

1) they can also resort to over-engineering a drivetrain that will only make it into 1 or 2 submodels in the entire GM lineup, as well as the ensuing work to bulk up every other component to take the added stress and add weight.

2) they can take advantage of the Alpha platform and its modularity and utilize lighter weight components and inserts while still maintaining strength.

Considering those two options I think they will decide to pick a little more of 2 - when you consider everything (I'm especially thinking cost wise since I KNOW you will bring that up). The ZL1 is going to make people's jaw drop and we know what MR suspension can do on a lighter vehicle (look at the ZR1). The benefits of the new platform are indeed lighter weight and the fact that GM just inked a deal with a carbon fiber manufacturer means they are thinking the same thing. The Camaro really only needs to improve on one thing and that is weight (well- and somewhat the interior- but that is progressing even in the 2012 models). The weight drop will improve the "feel" or make it more "tossable" which I personally don't have complaints with, but those are some of the critical points I have read. Suspension, styling, etc are all there so what is the big deal about wanting lower weight? Seriously? The Camaro is awesome already, but I think even the engineering staff would disagree with you in your adamant defense that it wouldn't be even better with less weight.
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It's already been stated by GM that the 6th gen will NOT be retro...
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This sounds like a nice rumor...leaves me plenty of time to enjoy the ZL1 before drooling over a new model.

Personally, I can't wait for the 6thgen to roll around. If based on nothing else than current ATS production videos...it should be killer!!!

As for design, size, etc, etc....I'm not worried about it. I'll leave it to them - THEY are the experts...I'm not.

I know what I prefer, though...a *SLIGHTLY* smaller car with an evolutionary design bringing the key features of the Camaro (low-slung stance, wide shoulders, bold expression, sharp lines, and cut windows) into the future with some extra attention given to aerodynamics. Pure retro, I think, will almost certainly fail.

And that's as far as I'll go, because I trust the people on this Camaro team COMPLETELY to make the right decisions with respect to the next generation. That...and I'm not finished enjoying THIS gen, yet.
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Yes, but the point of my post was looking at the various show cars and early EARLY concepts of what became the Camaro to determine what lines actually DEFINE a Camaro?

That is, if they'd also rather just toss everything out the window and slap the badge on a totally new car with zero links to it's predecessors. Which at that point.. well.. you might as well pick another name and kill the Camaro badge.
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GM SHOULD NOT continue to make modern versions of the older Camaros... I mean after the 6th gen you guys are going to start saying they should make 1974-81 style Camaros! They need to make THEIR OWN look now. They did the whole modern 1969 Camaro look which worked out because it was the rebirth of the Camaro. But that's where it ends. & don't get me wrong I LOVE the look of 5th gens. But the 6th gen shouldn't be its own design.
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