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Old 12-28-2011, 01:26 AM   #171
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Fair enough.

Though I LOVE the Corvettes and Camaros of that era.
Maybe you had to actually be alive to appreciate them at the time, I was born in '89 lol.
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Old 12-28-2011, 01:34 AM   #172
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Maybe you had to actually be alive to appreciate them at the time, I was born in '89 lol.
So was I, ironically.

Perhaps the difference is I grew up with a '79 Z28 in our garage.
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:11 AM   #173
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So was I, ironically.

Perhaps the difference is I grew up with a '79 Z28 in our garage.
Oh I thought you were older. I never really liked old cars growing up. I loved exotics lol. I say probably around 14 or so is when I got into the old muscle cars (the ones from the 60s)
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Old 12-28-2011, 02:31 AM   #174
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this thread is full of lolz
Stay classy with the "I'm adding constructive critisim and/or arguing my point on the next gen Camaro" there, kiddo. And I don't care if you're 40. You act like you're 14. Post something constructive, lurk, or gtfo. kthxbai.
As for my comments on past gens, the first was pure sarcasm (even noted in the post if you know where to 'find it') With the 2nd gen, that was just personal taste but I was in no way bashing the 2nd gen or 4th gens. I've driven all but the 1st gen. My dad owned a White/Blue stripe '79 Z. My mom owned 3 Camaros (Green 68, Island Teal 69, Dark Blue 77). I've got F-Body running in my veins. And what I stated was my opinion as to where the Camaro should go design/marketing direction wise.

Just an opinion, not truly a 'ZOMG TEH 67 WUZ DUMB NO 24 RIMZ YO LOLZ" bash..
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Old 12-28-2011, 04:57 PM   #175
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Lighter weight is not always better as compromises must be made. I saw a small hybrid car that was hit from behind that looks like it was made with thick tin foil. I want more mass around me in a 580 hp Camaro - just in case! I have one Camaro from each generation so far and have really been into Camaros since Gen. 2. Every time a new gen was produced (67, 70, 82, 93 and 2010) the hype surrounding these cars was phenomenal. The models were always "new and improved" with cool innovations and the magazines drooled over the new Camaro. Only after years of hard driving did we notice shortcomings of each generation. Gen 5 stock cars have issues (except of course for the ZL1!!) and gen 6 will be no different. I'll still plan to buy a good performance gen 6 model no matter what.
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Old 12-28-2011, 07:39 PM   #176
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I have always been a Camaro fan, owned a 1988, 2001, 2002(current) and my 2011 1SS(current)... 4th Gen style is still my Favorite... I will definitely look into the 6th Gen when it is available, I will surely be interested if the 6th Gen is less weight with OddBall motor combos, like the Eco Turbo 4 Banger with about 310hp or a Turbo/TwinTurbo V-6.... Hopefully it will be a pleasant sight when it becomes available.... Does it count that I had a 1969 Z/28 shell for about 2 weeks ????
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:03 PM   #177
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GM needs to make the Camaro lighter people... Anyone that thinks their 5th gens are great at handling stock or with some minor mods are on drugs! Haha its a brick.... Go drive a Boss 302 or just a GT at a track & then come back on here & tell me which one you like more. Like I & other mentioned Camaros got the look & its name. That's where it ends. The LS3 is a great engine but not when the car its in can weigh close to 4,xxx lbs!

For people who are saying just add hp instead of lowering the weight should just go ahead & because that's the dumbest thing a car company could do. Why add a huge amount of power when it will barely go anywhere because it weighs so much. Compared to a car with a little less hp & weighs 300-400 lbs less?? Look at the older GT500. Its a brick & a half & barely beat 5th gens. Heavy performance cars are pointless. Weight is a huge factor in a lot of things. Hence why all the rear super cars are all carbon fiber etc so it doesn't weigh much. Weight in certain spots is great. But that's a whole other thing. For drag racing, at the track, & getting good mpg. You want that weight down. Adding more hp & keeping the weight would just put all those to shame

If anyone at GM is reading this get that 6th gen Camaro in the Mustang range of 35xx lbs
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:05 PM   #178
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GM needs to make the Camaro lighter people... Anyone that thinks their 5th gens are great at handling stock or with some minor mods are on drugs!
Is that right?

It's not a Miata, but the Camaro handles just fine. Moderate body roll and .9 G in standard SS trim is up there in some very fine company. It's achilles' heel is a tendancy to understeer that the 2012 FE4 suspension fixed a bit.

Naturally it can and will get better with the next generation, but I think you're grossly under-representing the car's ability as it is.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:10 PM   #179
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...didn't have time to go thru this thread - but let me say this:

Anything - ANYTHING - you read about a 6th Gen Camaro from "Insiders" should be taken with a grain of salt substitute. (that's worse that a grain of salt.....)

IF we are working on a 6th gen - you can believe that any info. is very proprietary and anyone that says they know what's going on (unless their last name is Reuss, Oppenheiser, Pilcher, Clark, Fitzpatrick, or a hand-ful of others - ) --- they're not being truthful.

Take that to the bank.

Now - I'm NOT saying we don't care about what you think - we do and that's why we travel and sit and talk with many of you one-on-one - and that's why we have our 15 Disciples (who will be visiting with us once again very shortly) -
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:22 PM   #180
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...didn't have time to go thru this thread - but let me say this:

Anything - ANYTHING - you read about a 6th Gen Camaro from "Insiders" should be taken with a grain of salt substitute. (that's worse that a grain of salt.....)

IF we are working on a 6th gen - you can believe that any info. is very proprietary and anyone that says they know what's going on (unless their last name is Reuss, Oppenheiser, Pilcher, Clark, Fitzpatrick, or a hand-ful of others - ) --- they're not being truthful.

Take that to the bank.

Now - I'm NOT saying we don't care about what you think - we do and that's why we travel and sit and talk with many of you one-on-one - and that's why we have our 15 Disciples (who will be visiting with us once again very shortly) -
Hello there Fbodfather!!

I can completely understand how you wouldn't have time to go through a thread like this...but just in case you get the time, or some members of the Camaro team get time a thread like this can be priceless because I feel it shows what your Camaro customer base wants.

If anything, going over the past 3 to 4 pages would be a good read on what people want from their next Gen Camaro. I have faith in you guys, and I know you work hard to make sure you deliever what you want...just don't pass up on this free and easy to get customer feedback!

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Old 12-28-2011, 09:35 PM   #181
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GM needs to make the Camaro lighter people... Anyone that thinks their 5th gens are great at handling stock or with some minor mods are on drugs! Haha its a brick.... Go drive a Boss 302 or just a GT at a track & then come back on here & tell me which one you like more. Like I & other mentioned Camaros got the look & its name. That's where it ends. The LS3 is a great engine but not when the car its in can weigh close to 4,xxx lbs!

For people who are saying just add hp instead of lowering the weight should just go ahead & because that's the dumbest thing a car company could do. Why add a huge amount of power when it will barely go anywhere because it weighs so much. Compared to a car with a little less hp & weighs 300-400 lbs less?? Look at the older GT500. Its a brick & a half & barely beat 5th gens. Heavy performance cars are pointless. Weight is a huge factor in a lot of things. Hence why all the rear super cars are all carbon fiber etc so it doesn't weigh much. Weight in certain spots is great. But that's a whole other thing. For drag racing, at the track, & getting good mpg. You want that weight down. Adding more hp & keeping the weight would just put all those to shame

If anyone at GM is reading this get that 6th gen Camaro in the Mustang range of 35xx lbs
Yeah, all these supercars are super light.

Off the top of my head, there's the 3800 Audi R8 5.2, the 3700 lb Lamborghini Aventador, the 3600 lb Aston Martin One 77, and the 3500 lb Lexus LFA.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:49 PM   #182
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hmm are we done with the zl1 already ?
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:53 PM   #183
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GM needs to make the Camaro lighter people... Anyone that thinks their 5th gens are great at handling stock or with some minor mods are on drugs! Haha its a brick.... Go drive a Boss 302 or just a GT at a track & then come back on here & tell me which one you like more. Like I & other mentioned Camaros got the look & its name. That's where it ends. The LS3 is a great engine but not when the car its in can weigh close to 4,xxx lbs!

For people who are saying just add hp instead of lowering the weight should just go ahead & because that's the dumbest thing a car company could do. Why add a huge amount of power when it will barely go anywhere because it weighs so much. Compared to a car with a little less hp & weighs 300-400 lbs less?? Look at the older GT500. Its a brick & a half & barely beat 5th gens. Heavy performance cars are pointless. Weight is a huge factor in a lot of things. Hence why all the rear super cars are all carbon fiber etc so it doesn't weigh much. Weight in certain spots is great. But that's a whole other thing. For drag racing, at the track, & getting good mpg. You want that weight down. Adding more hp & keeping the weight would just put all those to shame

If anyone at GM is reading this get that 6th gen Camaro in the Mustang range of 35xx lbs
If you want lite with power and handling buy a corvette. That isn't what the camaro.
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:56 PM   #184
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Well, there are obviously changes and growth coming to the Camaro brand. "Evolution". The current 5th Gen will be revered as one of the special model runs. Sure, it's opinion. But look at what went (oh my, Im already talking in past tense) into it! Look at "who" was involved in it and all you have to do is set it side by side with anything ever made. I'm sure the 6th Gen will be great as well. And progressive. It has to be in order to contribute to the Chevy family.

There will surely be a 6th Gen. Will it be admired in historical terms. My bet is it will. Just like the 1st and 2nd were lumped together.

I don't think I've ever seen a fan base as enthusiastic as the Gen 5. The 1969 set the bar pretty high, and will always be revered. But the Gen 5 has captured "IT" too. The Gen 5's will always be looked back upon with respect and, if I may say, AWE. And with the ZL1 preparing for launch, I'd say we are only halfway through this generation. Great time to be here to observe and participate. And, as FBod says, the 15 Disciples are on the calendar. Guess what that means?
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Old 12-28-2011, 09:58 PM   #185
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Yeah, all these supercars are super light.

Off the top of my head, there's the 3800 Audi R8 5.2, the 3700 lb Lamborghini Aventador, the 3600 lb Aston Martin One 77, and the 3500 lb Lexus LFA.
I'd like to raise a few other cars to attention...more closely related to the Camaro's layout...

There's the 3836lb Aston Virage 2+2, the 3800lb Audi RS5, the 3700lb M3, or the 3935lb Merc C63 AMG...

I've been saying all along the 5th-gen Camaro is competitive in terms of weight. There's nothing exceptionally heavy, or light about it when compared on the world stage.

Considering what fbodfather has said...

IF they are indeed working on a 6th gen Camaro, and IF said Camaro is actually based on the Alpha architecture that underpins the Cadillac ATS (to be revealed at 2012 NAIAS). Then it will be significantly smaller...by default loosing some weight...perhaps losing even more using expensive materials in high-end models.

If it looses weight I don't view it as a "fix"...because when you look at the cars listed above, I don't see an inherent "problem". I'll consider it a natural progression of automotive development. Similar to how we abandoned our land yachts of the 60s and 70s for smaller vehicles to help increase efficiency.

But I digress...regardless the reason for it, or perception on my part...smaller, more nimble Camaro = yay!

/mini-rant.

EDIT: For those worrying about the 5thgen not going anywhere soon - you're absolutely right. But this is a little corner of the website where we can suspend reality for the sake of conversation.
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Old 12-28-2011, 10:01 PM   #186
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Looks like the 6th Gen will be coming out when I need a DD replacement. I wonder will be some of V6 of turbo I4 that will be the base engine? I don't think I need a V8 for a DD driving 50-60k like I do.
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Old 12-28-2011, 10:10 PM   #187
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Looks like the 6th Gen will be coming out when I need a DD replacement. I wonder will be some of V6 of turbo I4 that will be the base engine? I don't think I need a V8 for a DD driving 50-60k like I do.
I would look closely at the ATS. That is...if the 6th generation Camaro is to share components with that car.

It starts out with a 190 hp I4, to a 270hp turbo 4, and then tops out with a 320(?)hp 3.6L V6. They claim a couple hundred pounds under the 3 series...which is about 3200. These engines will move that along quite nicely.
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