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Old 07-26-2011, 10:49 AM   #26
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Well, that's the pits. I think it's much too soon for this.
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Old 07-26-2011, 10:58 AM   #27
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Did they resolve the weight problem with the Alpha platform?

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Old 07-26-2011, 11:12 AM   #28
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Just like the 2009 Camaro that was supposed to arrive in 2008, add at least a year to this estimate. Looking foward to the next gen, but still working on getting my fifth gen. They would have to make it pretty awesome to out do what they've done with the fifth gen, and it will probably cost $40,000 or more for a v-8 by then.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:16 AM   #29
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Did they resolve the weight problem with the Alpha platform?

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2011/05/...as-sigma-zeta/

thats crazy! so the smaller alpha platform is going to weigh more than the current car and be smaller?
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:18 AM   #30
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:19 AM   #31
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and with CAFE standards of 37.5 mpg wonder whats going under the hood
Cafe MPG is not equal to EPA MPG. 37.5 CAFE MPG i believe comes out to about 28 EPA MPG, which I think is well within reach for the V6, and not outlandish for a v8.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:29 AM   #32
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Well I just spent $5000 of my ZL1 money on a 3rd gen 1le. I need to increase my savings to make sure I can buy a new 5th gen ZL1 before the 6th gen comes out.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:32 AM   #33
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my LS1 gets 28 hwy and is 10 years old...i think they should consider a TT LS1 in the next gen..if they can add direct injection and vvt to it, it will have plenty of power and fuel mileage.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:39 AM   #34
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We probably should start looking at the Hyundai - Genesis Coupe foot print of 3,400 lbs, 182" long and 111" wheelbase. It seems the Camaro and Mustang are heading in that direction. Maybe this is more inline (sure the wheelbase is much shorter) with the original pony; '64 Mustang.

I wonder if the Challenger will stay with the 300/Charger platform. There's certainly not enough sales for it's own smaller platform. Does Dodge have a small RWD platform?
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:41 AM   #35
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Very interesting... My time for getting a 5th Gen lessens by the day
I was just thinking about that... I really hope they dont change it to much before I can get one. :(
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:45 AM   #36
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There are Ford Fiestas with a a 2.0L pushing 600hp, even up to 800hp. However, I would argue that while a turbo can bring out massive power, it's not the same as natural power. I nearly traded in my 2010 SS for a 996 911 Turbo but didn't for a couple of reasons why I didn't. The main reason is that even though the car pushes out both over 400hp and torque, it felt weaker than the Camaro. Why? Because a V8 just has so much natural power that you can really feel it. This is why super cars, and companies like Mercedes, BMW, etc...use V8s and V10s for their massive power. Forced induction is used to bring make the power even more over the top, but it's the natural power that really gets you going.
It's the displacement. The 6.2 is twice as large as that in the Porsche. The Porsche is SMOOTHER and more REFINED which it was it may not seem to have the power of the Camaro. Take them out to the track and see what happens. It's torque that gets you going. The smaller engine needs the turbo to make power but a turbo pulls air from the exhaust which requires the engine to get going before the turbo kicks in.
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Old 07-26-2011, 11:54 AM   #37
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my request: a little less on the "retro" meter. lower nose, etc...

No retro pony/muscle car has got it just right yet:

Ideal 30-40% retro
Camaro5 50%
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:22 PM   #38
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I want to know what the 6th gen. Is going to look like
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:35 PM   #39
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Well, that's the pits. I think it's much too soon for this.
5 years before they make a whole new car i dont like that look how long the f-body lasted just saying chevy should stick to this for at least 8 years and improve it over time i think its a bad idea for several reasons

1 they JUST made this car only going into 3ed year of production alot of time still left to improve and enhance it

2 it cost a SH!T ton of money to build a who new platform car from the ground up and chevy just had a bail out am i correct its a waist of money and time

3 dont mess with what works this 5th gen camaro is the best car chevy has made in a LONG LONG time and is the hottest car in a long long time and there just going to scrap it in a few 5 short years? dont make sence at all
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:39 PM   #40
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my LS1 gets 28 hwy and is 10 years old...i think they should consider a TT LS1 in the next gen..if they can add direct injection and vvt to it, it will have plenty of power and fuel mileage.
I also agree a T-Top should be in order. If the design has a single piece side glass with a wrap-around back window (shades of Gen2). Then this should be feasible. Probably would also address the current visibility concerns. The downfall is probably not being able to also incorporate a convertible model.
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Looks to me like the big V8 horsepower reunion and retro party is over come 2015....., so party now like it's 1999!
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:57 PM   #42
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Glad I got mine when I did, I hate change lol
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Old 07-26-2011, 12:58 PM   #43
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i really would not mind having a v-6 TT,i hardly use all the power mine has now,i never take it to the track,i just like having the power in case i need to use it,i would love to be able to afford a ls9 supercharger for mine but i would have a huge increase in insurance premiums do to tickets then could not afford the car,i currently have 414 rwhp.and 412 trq.,i have been debating on throwing a cam.in it,only hold back is i will have too much $$ in it and it not be considered into trade value should i elect to trade her in for the ZL1.
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It just doesn't seem kosher. But.... I who am I to judge?

I imagine it will look AWESOME regardless of smaller chassis etc., However, IT WILL NOT DELAY ME FROM GETTING A ZL1. I need the elbow room and if I am correct, the ZL1 will have TONS of refinement built in. The 5th GEN kinks have been worked out by GM and aftermarket, so I suspect we are getting a wonderful vehicle with ZL1. My only reservation, will be WHAT COLORs will be available! The auto tranny cinched it for me!

One more thing...it just seems that as you go to the smaller shorter wheelbase, you addmore potential to become a rattletrap ... affected by road bumps, etc. The current "HEAVY" Camaro is fine with me!

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Old 07-26-2011, 01:00 PM   #45
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:07 PM   #46
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Here's the Cadillac ATS spec sheet from GMInsideNews.com for an insight of what may be in store for the 6th Gen Camaro...

(Caveat: Pure Speculation!!!)

Please say NO to an inline 4.

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Old 07-26-2011, 01:14 PM   #47
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The second generation muscle car era will end as quickly as the first one did. Supercharging or turbo charging a V-6 is not all that bad. My tweeked NASCAR 3.8 Supercharged Pontiac runs pretty good for a 3400# car. GM needs to lose the weight on their new cars. Period.
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:19 PM   #48
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:20 PM   #49
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lol notice there is no curb weight
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Old 07-26-2011, 01:28 PM   #50
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Remember that Lee is not longer heading the design group.. The new Camaro will have an entirely different look. Perhaps they will use cues from the current Chevy dual grill. Obviously GM has to keep the Camaro fresh to keep sales up. I for one will not be parting with my 5th Gen unless they dazzle the shit out of me....There have been some crazy years and versions of the Camaro over the years and the changes have usually been wholesale so expect something really different in many ways.
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