[PoorMansCamaro]

Just the weight alone, 200lbs = ~.2 seconds faster in the 1/4 mile. That's a huge deal. Then factor in the hp/tq increase on top of that...

[Phidelt59]

Well my lease is up on my 13 SS in Feb 2016. Chevy take more of my money please!!

[Denis]

Originally Posted by HDRDTD

Let's hear a big HELL YES !!!!!
to a cell phone jammer.

I just want one that has about a two car range.

ummmm blue tooth? I can use my cell phone without being distracted

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by fbodfather

not even close...the 1997 Camaro? 15 MILLION build combinations -- trust me on this as I did the math. We built 60 thousand Camaros that year. The costs to offer those 15 million build combinations was one of the reasons that the car went away for a while..........


How many 'stripped' Camaros do we build? Go look at the build numbers as they're on this site. The reality is that the number is very small. The car MUST be appealing to a wide audience in order to be successful. Not everyone wants a seat warmer - but some do - so you must offer it as part of a package. Same for power seats....there was huge outrage when we didn't offer a power passenger seat in the 2010 Camaro. We listened to the customer and it's now part of a package. It's never easy to make any of these decisions - but listening to the customer -- the voice of the collective customer -- makes a successful automobile. No, we won't make everyone happy - we're not about to put manual windows in a Camaro as the costs to do so are staggering. (engineering two types of door innards and wiring harnesses...)

Thanks for the Correction, I guess my 60+ year old memory lost a couple zeros over the years.....

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by davidcroft

NO, It's going to be considerably more. I have heard strong rumors of that. If you look at Silverado and Tahoe and Stingray(compared to previous models)....you'll see where the trend is headed.

It's all in the interior and "options" that everyone cries for....then doesn't wanna pay for.
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Almost every car has increased price at higher rates lately, even the Mustang. Inflation, more features...doesn't matter when it is an industry trend not car specific. Corvette definitely jumped a good bit, but since it has no real competition even remotely in it's price range and a host of new premium materials, nothing to keep it's price lower.

[Autonaut]

200lbs is a HUGE deal, considering most cars of this caliper are gaining weight.. A 3700'is stock SS will destroy the mustang GT. The challenger wont even be contender. At least thats what im guessing from this press release.

[wakespeak]

This will take a lot of pressure off competing with the Mustang, even more that some of the weight savings comes from unsprung components. It will be interesting to see if Ford reacts with a light weight Mustang a model year or two from now.

[wakespeak]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

Almost every car has increased price at higher rates lately, even the Mustang. Inflation, more features...doesn't matter when it is an industry trend not car specific. Corvette definitely jumped a good bit, but since it has no real competition even remotely in it's price range and a host of new premium materials, nothing to keep it's price lower.

Selling more cars at a lower price does not always equal more profit in total. If GM can sell fewer low mpg cars at high markup, then they win twice.

[Angrybird 12]

Originally Posted by wakespeak

This will take a lot of pressure off competing with the Mustang, even more that some of the weight savings comes from unsprung components. It will be interesting to see if Ford reacts with a light weight Mustang a model year or two from now.

It's harder to cut weight on an existing platform without drastic (and possibly expensive) measures, just look what Chevy had to do on the Z/28 to save weight.

[Capricio]

Originally Posted by wakespeak

Selling more cars at a lower price does not always equal more profit in total. If GM can sell fewer low mpg cars at high markup, then they win twice.

Selling large volumes has its own multiple wins... parts sales, decreased market share for competitors, dealership services, better supplier discounts, etc. If you're not taking up marketshare, even with low margins, you can bet someone else will be in a hyper-competive sales market like cars.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Angrybird 12

It's harder to cut weight on an existing platform without drastic (and possibly expensive) measures, just look what Chevy had to do on the Z/28 to save weight.

Agree. Mustang is not going to be losing any significant weight any time soon. Maybe a little here or there, but I kind of doubt that as well.

[That_old_guy]

Originally Posted by Mr Twisty

Yeah, we've had that discussion before, and you're right, I guess I'm a dying breed...Someone that enjoys the drive more than the destination...

I'm just ticked off at all these new safety measures they're cramming down our throats, my "Collision Mitigation System" (that's what Meritor Wabco calls it) activated on an overpass today, engaged the brakes and almost shoved a truck up my butt. Some [edited for political rhetoric] put crap on my truck that I can't control, and even more so, that takes control away from me... I don't like it. A lot.

Tell the engineers to invent a device that will disable cell reception in a moving vehicle. THAT'S collision mitigation I can support!

THIS!!

[classicrockr]

Originally Posted by That_old_guy

THIS!!

From another old guy:

While I agree with you for the most part, these new systems can also be politely reminding us that our driving habits have gotten TOO SLOPPY.

Tailgating, cutting others off, getting too close before we switch lanes - these & a lot more happens way too much nowadays and it's possible that these systems may start reminding us when we should be scaling back the throttle in accordance with what's around us.

[Mr Twisty]

Originally Posted by Denis

ummmm blue tooth? I can use my cell phone without being distracted

No.... you can't.

It's been proven time and time again, you can't do a basic calculation in your head while maneuvering a vehicle. In the middle of nowhere on a straight stretch of highway with little traffic, yes, but start adding distractions and your multi-tasking score drops to fail.

How many times have you yelled, or wanted to yell, "HANG UP AND DRIVE!"