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For 1400+hp I would agree with Andy.
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Just turbos would be a lot more simple.... I'm afraid of losing the torque at 2500 rpm and it just seems logical that if everything could be managed it would have all of the best properties of both induction systems and then some. I'm actually considering swapping to the heartbeat if I do this 1.) because it just plain has better cooling and 2.) because I have heard that the intercooler bricks on my LS9 blower have failed if the boost levels get too high.... because of my displacement and head flow etc... I'm only pushing 14 pounds of boost through them now. But we will open another can of worms all together if we put the turbos on. So is Rick on this board? How do I get in contact with him?
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Yes intercooler bricks on ls9 have failed but fixing them isn't hard.
Yes if you go just turbos that will support 1500hp then you are going to give up low end. That being said, why exactly do you need huge torque at 2500rpm? Just to dyno race? Fun street car? Track/performance wise power/torque at 2500 is pretty much irrelevant.
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Im not kidding I thought of slapping two turbos in the back lol
Anyways, what you want to do is doable and I can probably help since ive done the research already, of course I don't know it all
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A well designed turbo system can provide torque at 2500 rpm without nitrous, you'd be more than fine without compounding the boost. Sometimes it's best to just keep things simple.
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On a reasonable size LS motor 427 or less you aren't going to make 1400+rwhp and killer torque at 2500. You can have a turbo system that makes awesome torque at 2k but may only support 1000rwhp. If he is really going for a 1400+hp build and not doing a 500+ cube motor then he is looking at 66+mm turbos that aren't going to instant spool on a 7L motor. Put them on a 600ci high compression big block running methanol and you can have 1500rwhp TT with instant boost.
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See, I'm thinking rather than turbos in series, lets put the blower and turbo in series.... for a while anyway.
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I must admit that my biggest complaint about the Camaro is that is heavy. I have done quite a bit to shave a few pounds here and there. Right now my car weighs 10 pounds less than when I bought it and it has a lot of extra parts on it. But at the end of the day if I get a significant improvement in the pounds per horsepower ratio I call that a gain. I'm about 3.4 pounds per horse at the tire now. I'm thinking that adding turbos and some more plumbing will further improve this ratio. If I add 100 pounds I will gain more than 340 horses....at least I'm hoping it will work that way. That would mean the dyno would have to be at least 1540 at the tires to maintain my current power to weight ratio if the turbos and plumbing added 100 pounds. Interesting when you look at it that way. Maybe I should just take off that blower and spray the nitrous when I need to get the turbos running..... Anyone know how much a set of big turbos and plumbing are going to weigh?
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You can trim weight on some of the turbo components, things like stainless turbine housings can provide some savings in weight.
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You weld plates on the bricks and reinforce them. Search the zr1 section of corvette forum.
You could do series turbos but then it is more complicated, already has space issues. Can it be done, sure I guess. Is it realistic for most people, not really.
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I agree, but he's not most people.
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