Who else is disappointed in what they've seen thus far in the 6th Gen? - Page 5

Number 3 · 10-11-2014, 09:43 AM

This thread went a completely different direction.

So here I'll say it for everyone doubting.

Camaro SHOULD absolutely be chasing BMW right now with this car. If I spend 50 to 60 K on a ZL1, I want it stomp the crap out of the M4. Hopefully in time my other dream comes true and GM gives Chevy an Alpha based sedan to compete with the M3.

Not suggesting the Camaro become a luxury car. The M3/4 isn't either. But the Camaro should be able to go toe to toe with the M4 and the latest Car and Driver Drivers car went to the Camaro.

Now just get the interior at a reasonable level, improve all the things I've been suggesting, trunk access, visibility (looks better already),current features and seats (etc.) and the only reason to buy a BMW would be the same reasons you want a Cadillac. GM has to start recognizing this too. Today they don't but it sounds like Cadillac is coming around.

And the reason the 4th gen failed was simple. Look at the volumes of the base car. That is what tanked. V8 sales held reasonably well through the entire 4th gen. But in the end as a base stylish coupe that would interest people not wanting an SS/Z28 it sucked and those volumes tanked. A hatchback with no trunk space, no rear seats and difficult at best ingress/egress.

The coupe market is much smaller than it has been historically. And the winner in this segment today isn't the one with the best V8 car, it's going to be the one with the best car period. That is what generates the ability to continue to put money into the car and keep it great. And although I had hoped for a greater departure from the Gen5 shape and proportions, which is now almost cartoonish to me (although I'd still own one if I wanted a coupe NOW), I think with the Camo off and a great interior this car can be as big a leap forward as the Gen5 was back in 2009.

2cnd chance · 10-11-2014, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by blackgloves

Feel free to ask me my age at any point.

I would hope that you realize that both PORSCHE and BMW are made in Germany and focus their consumer base in Europe. Also... just in case you're not aware of this. Both are "luxury" auto companies.. at least in the eyes of Americans. Porsche is regardless of where are you are in the world. There is nothing "luxury" about Camaro. No one in this world that's considering their next purchase of a 911 Porsche to also looking at a brand new Camaro. If so, please send them my way. I'd love to meet this guy.

There are zero parallels with Porsche and Camaro...NONE! Of course their timeless exterior design...is timeless. Do you consider the engineers and or the design team at Camaro to be on the same level as Porsche? Should I remind you about how Camaro went unavailable after 2002? Has BMW or Porsche ever went unavailable due to issues with sales?

Some of you have lost your freaking minds. Take your Camaro loving goggles off...PLEASE

Is this a joke?

Iroc_Z28 · 10-11-2014, 10:49 AM

Just from the title of this thread i knew it was going to turn into an all out flame war.

DivineStrike · 10-11-2014, 11:35 AM

Nope, not disappointed at all. In fact with every new picture and detail it makes more anxious about my S550 5.0 purchase. However the outcome I won't be trading in my 5.0 for the new Camaro in the first year. I'd give it at least a couple years to see if GM has got there quality kinks worked out yet. I honestly hope they do soon, I know every manufacturer has it's recalls and all (especially with the airbags this year) but I hope this large recall trend of GM's is over for a little while.

sonnydurden · 10-11-2014, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Iroc_Z28

Just from the title of this thread i knew it was going to turn into an all out flame war.

Don't understand how it went this way.. It's funny how people are so upset over a product that hasn't been fully revealed.. The two best cars I ever owned in my life are sitting in garage (2012 SS & 2014 RS)... And I've owned a lot of cars.. I'm confident in GM and their direction, so if the 6th Gen is a highly evolved 5th Gen, then I'm on board!!!

DenverTaco07 · 10-11-2014, 01:05 PM

16Camaroracer · 10-24-2014, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sonnydurden

Don't understand how it went this way.. It's funny how people are so upset over a product that hasn't been fully revealed.. The two best cars I ever owned in my life are sitting in garage (2012 SS & 2014 RS)... And I've owned a lot of cars.. I'm confident in GM and their direction, so if the 6th Gen is a highly evolved 5th Gen, then I'm on board!!!

You got a point

FenwickHockey65 · 10-24-2014, 09:54 PM

lol@this thread...

Austin45 · 10-24-2014, 11:03 PM

Personally, I'm really excited. We've had a peak at some LEDs and we've heard the sound of a what is most likely a LT1 V8. After I got my 2LT paid off I've been saving for a 2016 2SS.

Burnin' Rubber · 10-26-2014, 12:53 PM

If what they arrive at, in terms of evolutionary styling, looks like a Scion tC front merged with a Mitsubishi Lancer rear, seemingly just to appease the import buyers, then maybe they need to step back and take a different approach altogether.

nighttowl · 10-26-2014, 07:34 PM

Im disappointed that it looks very similar to the current model.
I was most likely going to bet a new model, but now that ive seen the prototypes, and rendered prototypes, my thoughts are there is no point if the car is nearly the same.
even if it does end up being 200 lbs lighter, I doubt ill buy a new model Camaro.
I would be better off staying with my modded 10 model, or going to a 12 or 13 zl1.

mr02Z/28 · 10-26-2014, 07:39 PM

I have a feeling the weight loss isn't going to be that significant or impressive, what GM will do is "up" the HP so it doesn't seem that bad when the 6th Gen SS weighs in at 3,810lbs ........ they will throw in another 20HP to misdirect the minimal weight loss ... I still have a feeling it's going to be a heavy one ...

10-11-2014, 09:43 AM	#57
Number 3 Hail to the King baby! Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,172 View My Garage	This thread went a completely different direction. So here I'll say it for everyone doubting. Camaro SHOULD absolutely be chasing BMW right now with this car. If I spend 50 to 60 K on a ZL1, I want it stomp the crap out of the M4. Hopefully in time my other dream comes true and GM gives Chevy an Alpha based sedan to compete with the M3. Not suggesting the Camaro become a luxury car. The M3/4 isn't either. But the Camaro should be able to go toe to toe with the M4 and the latest Car and Driver Drivers car went to the Camaro. Now just get the interior at a reasonable level, improve all the things I've been suggesting, trunk access, visibility (looks better already),current features and seats (etc.) and the only reason to buy a BMW would be the same reasons you want a Cadillac. GM has to start recognizing this too. Today they don't but it sounds like Cadillac is coming around. And the reason the 4th gen failed was simple. Look at the volumes of the base car. That is what tanked. V8 sales held reasonably well through the entire 4th gen. But in the end as a base stylish coupe that would interest people not wanting an SS/Z28 it sucked and those volumes tanked. A hatchback with no trunk space, no rear seats and difficult at best ingress/egress. The coupe market is much smaller than it has been historically. And the winner in this segment today isn't the one with the best V8 car, it's going to be the one with the best car period. That is what generates the ability to continue to put money into the car and keep it great. And although I had hoped for a greater departure from the Gen5 shape and proportions, which is now almost cartoonish to me (although I'd still own one if I wanted a coupe NOW), I think with the Camo off and a great interior this car can be as big a leap forward as the Gen5 was back in 2009. __________________ "Speed, it seems to me, provides the one genuinely modern pleasure." - Aldous Huxley

10-11-2014, 10:49 AM	#59
Iroc_Z28 Drives: 2017 1SS 1LE Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Canada Posts: 408	Just from the title of this thread i knew it was going to turn into an all out flame war. __________________

10-24-2014, 09:54 PM	#64
FenwickHockey65 General Motors Aficionado Drives: 2023 GMC Canyon, 2020 Colorado Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 37,371 View My Garage	lol@this thread... __________________ 2023 GMC Canyon Elevation 2020 Chevrolet Colorado W/T Extended Cab (State-issued)

10-24-2014, 11:03 PM	#65
Austin45 The Logistician Drives: 2012 LFX 45th Anniversary Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Jonesboro, AR Posts: 864 View My Garage	Personally, I'm really excited. We've had a peak at some LEDs and we've heard the sound of a what is most likely a LT1 V8. After I got my 2LT paid off I've been saving for a 2016 2SS. __________________

10-26-2014, 07:34 PM	#67
nighttowl Sarcasm loading -------- Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: TX Posts: 1,806 View My Garage	Im disappointed that it looks very similar to the current model. I was most likely going to bet a new model, but now that ive seen the prototypes, and rendered prototypes, my thoughts are there is no point if the car is nearly the same. even if it does end up being 200 lbs lighter, I doubt ill buy a new model Camaro. I would be better off staying with my modded 10 model, or going to a 12 or 13 zl1. __________________ "The salesman actually told me to stop getting it sideways during the test drive" 2018 MBM ZL1 1LE - Stock 2014 CRT ZL1 574 rwhp, 537 rwtq - SOLD 2010 IBM SS Camaro VVT L99 w/ TR6060 swap, 489 rwhp, 444 rwtq - SOLD

10-11-2014, 11:35 AM	#60
DivineStrike Drives: 05 Ranger Fx4, VW GTI, CBR600RR Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Charleston, SC Posts: 43	Nope, not disappointed at all. In fact with every new picture and detail it makes more anxious about my S550 5.0 purchase. However the outcome I won't be trading in my 5.0 for the new Camaro in the first year. I'd give it at least a couple years to see if GM has got there quality kinks worked out yet. I honestly hope they do soon, I know every manufacturer has it's recalls and all (especially with the airbags this year) but I hope this large recall trend of GM's is over for a little while.

10-11-2014, 01:05 PM	#62
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10-26-2014, 12:53 PM	#66
Burnin' Rubber Drives: Domestic Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 35	If what they arrive at, in terms of evolutionary styling, looks like a Scion tC front merged with a Mitsubishi Lancer rear, seemingly just to appease the import buyers, then maybe they need to step back and take a different approach altogether.

10-26-2014, 07:39 PM	#68
mr02Z/28 Drives: 2002 Z/28,1968 Chevelle convert. Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Phila.,PA Posts: 1,141 View My Garage	I have a feeling the weight loss isn't going to be that significant or impressive, what GM will do is "up" the HP so it doesn't seem that bad when the 6th Gen SS weighs in at 3,810lbs ........ they will throw in another 20HP to misdirect the minimal weight loss ... I still have a feeling it's going to be a heavy one ...

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