02-07-2016, 10:34 PM | #183 |
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02-07-2016, 10:38 PM | #184 | |
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Thank you for your insight. I remember that during "Carmageddon" in 2008-2009, the Obama Auto Task Force wanted to trim GM down to only Chevrolet and Cadillac. The GM top brass at the time convinced them to also keep GMC and Buick. |
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02-08-2016, 10:35 AM | #185 |
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Nice uptick for the Camaro. I'm sure once the weather starts to break it'll just keep growing. The car is clearly a performance success and although some people aren't happy with the exterior design I think most like it or will grow to over time. Everyone I've met or talked to seems to love the inside. Looking forward to see if they unveil a ZL1 or something. Might be tempted to upgrade... maybe...
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Ahhh the Oldsmobile Aurora. My dad had one of those, it was a fantastic car. I loved that car. Quote:
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Another way to think of it is this, say you are looking a tvs. The choices are an off brand 60" Smart LED TV, or 60" Samsung LCD TV ( Most people say LED is the way to go now so that is what this example is based off, so in this example the off brand has more features) for the same price. The average buyer that is not up to snuff on Audio/Visual (the general car buyer) is going to pick the Samsung based on the name alone. |
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02-08-2016, 11:54 AM | #187 | |
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I think it's unfair though to put all that baggage on the 6thGen Camaro and it's customers as if their decision to purchase or not purchase, will somehow produce a miracle that redirects the course of history. In your opinion the Camaro may not now be the greatest coupe available in the history of automaking, but I think the folks buying it are entitled to think so. They can't control the decisions of management, nor crusade to right the wrongs you think have occurred. |
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02-08-2016, 12:13 PM | #188 | |
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I'd really be happy with any car that resembles a 67-69 Camaro, has great handling, and was around 400 HP to the crank. It doesn't need to try so ridiculously hard to chase numbers like the current 6th gen tries to. An american coupe with a good mix of practicality, design, power, and handling would be great. |
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02-08-2016, 01:32 PM | #189 |
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Camaro was, is, and always should be a RWD vehicle. That is a staple to its identity. If they want to do an AWD vehicle for some reason...call it something else.
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02-08-2016, 01:41 PM | #190 |
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I think the 5th gen ticked that box pretty well, and there are plenty to chose from on the used market. Time for something fun and a bit more affordable. They can call it whatever the heck they want, I just want muscle car styling rather than a european econobox clone with a facelift. Who says you can't create a new muscle car nameplate from scratch with zero heritage involved?
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02-08-2016, 02:33 PM | #191 |
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It's all about the price. Number 3 brings up a good point on the BMW argument. Most people (not just young drivers) will jump at the chance to own a status symbol brand. BMW, M-B, etc. In a similar fashion, a lot of people might prefer a sports car over the usual appliance cars (camry, accord, etc.). It works both ways. It's all about the customer's price point and what they value. Most consumers will support their views with the positive aspects of their preference while discounting the negative aspects. There are very few people out there who go car shopping without some form of bias affecting their view.
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02-08-2016, 02:53 PM | #192 | |
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The Camaro, Mustang and Challenger offer a unique experience and the Chevy does so exceptionally well (and its style is part of it).
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02-08-2016, 03:43 PM | #193 |
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Number 3........ I am curious about your opinion of the Buick Avista coupe. I think it is possible that it could have been the Gen6 Camaro , to me it is a winning design.
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02-08-2016, 03:45 PM | #194 |
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I highly doubt many are cross shopping Camaros and BMWs regardless of price. They are two completely different animals. If that line of thinking made sense, then why would anyone buy a $100,000+ Z06 when they could buy a $40,000 BMW? After all, it's just a Chevy. Right? The gen 6 car has a very different enviroment to deal with than the gen5 did. Pent up demand moved the gen5, the Mustang had already been out for four years and the challenger had only one expensive car at first that the base ss camaro would beat out of the box which made the RT kind of insignificant to many people when it came along on 2010. It had it all going for it. Now we have the gen6. It has to compete against used gen5s, used mustangs like Gt500s and used Challengers, an all new mustang that keeps getting better, a challenger that has gotten better with many different package options and improved interiors along with the pent up demand being gone. Also, the cost of performance is going up which has made this car cost more. I see this all coming to and end for the average person. Not to drag politics into it, but governments want it that way. It won't be long til performance will be reserved for the rich unless you stick with used.
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02-08-2016, 03:52 PM | #195 |
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[QUOTE=shaffe;8889793]Ahhh the Oldsmobile Aurora. My dad had one of those, it was a fantastic car. I loved that car.
I have a 99 Olds Aurora as a daily driver (4.0 V8). It's a piece of junk. It leaks oil something fierce and gets bad gas mileage (20 mpg) while having a measly 250 HP. Whoever paid $40k for one back in the 90's seriously got ripped off. Every Aurora will start to leak oil sometime in its lifetime. It's a matter of when not if. |
02-08-2016, 04:01 PM | #196 | |
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You do realize that it's a 17 year old car? |
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